@gfsracing wrote:
Taken from another forum - dont sheet the messenger
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/2387466-official-samsung-ks8000-ks8500-own...
Thankyou for that. Whilst we wait (possibly forever, 5 months and counting) for Samsung's official statements, we obviously all have to make do with alternatives. These range from journalist's articles on websites (lke John Archer's article without any named sources whatsoever), to little snippets of information like this. It is all we have, and I for one am very grateful for anything that we can learn, regardless of from where it comes. 
@UHDHDR wrote:
@mrtickle wrote:
Not one user has ever seen the HDR10+ label appear in Amazon's app on their Samsung 2017 model TV.
They claim that they are indeed streaming HDR10+ and that the aforementioned issue is not present on HDR10+ content, as they've compared the episodes between the two formats.
Yes, I agree with you that this is their claim :). But, I'm sick and tired of hearing the same claim for months now, always with no evidence (NB I'm not shooting you the messenger here, my ire is with both Amazon and Samsung (see below!)). I've had enough, I've finally decided that until I see hard proof, I don't believe them. In a Victor Meldrew way
In this post I use the term "HDR10Plus" because it's very difficult to search for "+" in posts later.
@UHDHDR wrote:
John Archer stated a while ago that his contact at Panasonic confirmed that Amazon was streaming HDR10+, but that it wasn't the final signed off version.
Yes he did state that, and I believe that the anonymous person from Panasonic was sincere in their belief that Amazon was streaming HDR10Plus. I beleive that JA is sincere enough in his belief to report the anonymous rumours like this that he is given so that we can decide for ourselves. JA is just a conduit.
However, again, zero proof exists 😞
@UHDHDR wrote:
My guess is that they simply have not implemented that HDR10+ label for HDR10+ content, despite what their website says. It doesn't seem like that page is very accurate. For example, it says that only 2016 LG OLEDs support DV on Prime, but there are other brands that do as well.
I did mention to them that people with compatible TVs are not seeing the label, and they're working on it.
Yes, if they actually are streaming HDR10Plus, I would definitely agree with you, that the label is broken.
IF! :smileyhappy:
Amazon claim they've been "working on" this bug ever since the launch happened and people said they couldn't see the HDR10Plus icon where it should be. How hard can it be? The length of time to fix this, again, leaves nothing but deep doubt that they are sincere.
The situation we have now is the result of at least two "bad actors" involved:
(1). Samsung, the manufacturer of the TV, refuses to allow the customer to see the Signal Details whilst they are running one of the internal apps. Ie, the "Info" function on the remote which - for HDMI sources and the internal tuners - shows resolution, frame-rate, etc. It doesn't show anywhere near enough information (see (4)), but it shows SOME information. But instead, for internal apps, Samsung thinks that leaving this decision up to the app developer is acceptable (it is not acceptable - see (2)).
(2a). Amazon, the developer of the app, refuses to divulge the Signal Details of its app (some apps aren't even 4k, they are 1080p for example), and
(2b) within the apps, Amazon also refuses to divulge enough information of the Stream Details whilst the stream is playing. Ie, the playback bar merely saying "HDR" instead of either "HDR10" or "dv" or "HDR10Plus" during playback.
This is not good enough and will not do! If either of those situations were resolved, we would not have to rely on BOTH parties to play nicely at the same time, which we currently have to do. 😞
(3). Amazon, the developer of the app, claims that a label on a different screen shown BEFORE playback happens is going to directly tally with the stream which happens when you press "play", in the future after they fix this bug (reported many, many months ago).
The current "bug" situation, they claim, is that the label is wrong and "the stream is HDR10Plus, honest, just trust us". Well sorry, I do NOT trust them and there is no proof whatsoever it's a HDR10+ stream, and we can't ever prove it because of (1) and (4) 😞
(4). Samsung, the manufacturer of the TV, refuses to improve the Signal Details banner such that is shows PROPER detailed technical information. Eg WHICH flavour of HDR is being decoded - HLG? HDR10? HDR10Plus? Just the word "HDR" will NOT cut it at all any more. What is the chroma sub-sampling, is it 4:4:4, 4:2:2, 4:2:0, etc? PC Gamers want visual confirmation of this kind of thing.
People like us who NEED all this information are completely left screwed over and forced into guessing or asked to believe dubious press releases; people who don't care won't mind or even notice if it's added to the banner. It should all have been there in the first place.
Phew, that wasn't going to be such a long post
