Does any 2016 Samsung owner here happen to have both a 2018 Amazon Fire Stick 4K and an HDFury? ... View more

@carlitosmu9000 wrote: i saw on another forum people using the firestick 4k and enabling some developer options it'll display video source information and that should display hdr10+ if you tv is capable of    It won't tell you if your TV supports HDR10+. The person who posted that owns an LG TV which doesn't support HDR10+. The video source information is displayed regardless of which TV you have. It only shows you the highest form of HDR supported by the content. ... View more

@cormar wrote: My tv has update 1250.5 (hdr10+). When i play hdr10+-content from Amazon prime or YouTube premium , i can 't see a hdr10+ stamp either on my  tv or   on the content that is playing.   You're the only person who has ever claimed to see an HDR10+ stamp.   Would you are to post an image as proof?   Also, YouTube doesn't support HDR10+. So I'm not sure what you're seeing there. ... View more

@carlitosmu9000 wrote: i guess i would have to get a fire stick 4k to truly test this theory,  thanks for the info! Not really. HDR10+ should be available from your TV's internal app if the TV does indeed support HDR10+. ... View more

@chopples123 wrote: i thought hdr10+ for KS sets had been dead in the water for a while?   warning you may need to put this through a google translate   https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/TV-Audio-Video/HDR10-2016er-SUHDTVs/td-p/417554/page/2?wgu=10715_73669_15435116478387_820dcdb0f1&wgexpiry=1551287647&cid=uk_affiliate_webgains_73669_20181129&source=webgains_uk   I am sure Rudy from avsforums confirmed similiar earlier in the year?   cheers No one has come out and said that it definitely won't be added, and there are certainly no official sources or insiders who have given us any definitive answer. However, Samsung deleting the press releases which mention HDR10+ firmware update for the 2016 models speaks volumes. It doesn't look good.   However, as i said, we will know for sure in a couple of weeks. ... View more

@blenky wrote: @UHDHDR wrote: A little off-topic, since we've moved on from HDR10+ as it looks like our TVs won't get it, but for those non-believers, here is some confirmation that Amazon is indeed streaming HDR10+ content: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-high-dynamic-range-hdr-wide-color-gamut-wcg/2820017-hdr10-debuts-amazon-prime-video-samsung-2017-uhd-tvs-31.html#post57185540 I've forgotten the status on HDR10Plus on the KS range.  Last I remember is that it was introduced into firmware at same time as HLG but as no content no one could prove it.  Or have we moved on from then? There is no official confirmation, but it looks unlikely. We will know for sure on December 11, as "We, the Marines" will be released on UHD blu-ray and will feature HDR10+. The M9500/M8500/M7500 Samsung blu ray players specifiy which HDR format is being sent to the TV as well as which HDR format is being displayed by the TV.   I will test it out. ... View more

@King_Crimson wrote: It has been confirmed by a few sites that Bad Times has HDR 10+ (bluray.com)we will have to wait for official details to confirm though. But I hope they are correct because I would like to know the true HDR capabilities of my 2017 MU8000 Confirmation that Amazon Prime is indeed streaming HDR10+ content: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-high-dynamic-range-hdr-wide-color-gamut-wcg/2820017-hdr10-debuts-amazon-prime-video-samsung-2017-uhd-tvs-31.html#post57185540   Feel free to test it out on your TV. ... View more

A little off-topic, since we've moved on from HDR10+ as it looks like our TVs won't get it, but for those non-believers, here is some confirmation that Amazon is indeed streaming HDR10+ content: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-high-dynamic-range-hdr-wide-color-gamut-wcg/2820017-hdr10-debuts-amazon-prime-video-samsung-2017-uhd-tvs-31.html#post57185540 ... View more

For those with the new firmware who are also subscribed to Amazon Prime, try checking out some of their HDR content to see if this firmware adds HDR10+. Even if there is no HDR10+ indicator, it wouldn't hurt to see if you notice any difference in image quality. ... View more

@Onpoint wrote: @UHDHDR wrote: I'm wondering if this is still a preview firmware, since they are only giving it away by USB to only those who ask for it. It's now available for download from the Samsung website here https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/UE49KS7000UXXU/   If you have a different model then probably look that one up to be sure. That's 1231. An old version. ... View more

I'm wondering if this is still a preview firmware, since they are only giving it away by USB to only those who ask for it. ... View more

Hopefully @tarbat can get his hands on this firmware and do some testing on the HLG curve from iPlayer via HDMI. I'm 100% confident that everything will work as it should, just as it does via the M9500 player. ... View more

I checked with US & Canadian tech support and they have no info on this firmware yet. Looks like it's getting released in Europe only for now. ... View more

Hold on, how does this work? Is Samsung going to mail you an actual USB drive with the firmware on it, or are they just emailing you the file / download link? ... View more

@tarbat wrote: @UHDHDR wrote: Judging by the HLG via HDMI curve from your tests, there should be extreme over brightening that produces a very washed out image. I've experienced none of that. The image looks 100% identical to the same content via the internal app. I wouldn't say "extreme over brightening", but yes, a washed out image is what I was seeing when streaming iPlayer HLG content from the Roku Stick+. The comparison of EOTF curves between the KS TV (bottom) and an MU6400 TV (top) is obvious:   Tested on each TV using the same methodology, by injecting HLG metadata: 87:01:1a:6d:03:00:3e:21:91:9b:aa:19:f7:08:43:8a:08:39:13:3d:42:40:e8:03:00:00:e8:03:e8:03 Definitely looks like some sort of issue with the way the devices interact. Since the only common factor is the HDFury, that's probably where the issue lies (probably with the infoframe.) The Chromecast Ultra caused issues with HDR content on certain TVs as well, because it was sending the incorrect metadata, and it produced a very washed out image.   The KS8000 has the correct HLG curve for its internal apps, so there's no reason why it would use a different curve for external devices. As I said, the M9500 player produces an image that is identical to the internal apps. ... View more

@blenky wrote: What is the visual effect of the incorrect curve?    I have a Roku+ and have watched the first two episodes of BBCs Dynasties in HDR HLG via its iPlayer app.  The picture is stunning and the me at least comparable to UHD bluray.    I can provide photos to demonstrate - although a photo from a phone won't do it justice! Streaming will never look as good as disc.   Anyways, you need to compare the same content on an external device vs an internal app on the TV. HLG videos on YouTube make the most sense.   The effect of the HLG via HDMI curve from tarbat's tests would be an over brightened image that is extremely washed out.  ... View more

@tarbat wrote: @UHDHDR, So is the  Samsung M9500 blu ray player ignoring the EDID from the KS TV and sending HLG regardless? That seems unlikely, hence my suggestion that it may be outputting as HDR10 when playing HLG content to a TV with an EDID that excludes HLG compatibility. Best way to test is to use an HDFury Integral to inspect the HDR Infoframe being sent from the M9500. I think it's far more unlikely that it's converting it to HDR10. I don't know of a single device on the market that converts HLG to HDR10. If it was something that was easy to implement, surely every device would do so, in order to circumvent any incompatibility.    I don't own an HDFury, as I have no use for one. Perhaps there are some posters on AVS who own both an HDFURY and an M9500/M8500. ... View more

@tarbat wrote: Q@UHDHDR wrote: @tarbat wrote: @tarbat wrote: Has anyone with this new firmware actually tested some HLG calibration test content to measure whether the luminance response curve matches the correct HLG EOTF curve? If so, what was the maximum NITS measured on a 10% window at 100% luminence? On the old non-HLG firmware, the maximum was less than 500 NITS, so nowhere near the maximum luminance the TV is capable of. Until someone does that, we have no idea if this test firmware completely fixes the HLG problem on KS TVs. And here's the calibration chart I posted back in June demonstrating just how wrong the HLG EOTF curve is on the current firmware. If someone with the new test firmware can perform the same tests, that will prove that HLG is genuinely fixed beyond just the EDID fix.   Which external device were you using when you performed this test, and was there a noticeable difference when you compared the same HLG content via the internal apps vs an external device?   I ask because I've been able to get HLG via HDMI from my M9500 player for several months now, and playing the same HLG content from the TV's internal app and the M9500 player, the content looks identical.   I'm nearly 100% confident that the problem lies with whatever external device you are using. I did numerous tests, all described previously in this and the Sky Q / HLG threads: Sky Q YouTube app and HDFury Integral to inject the HDR infoframe. Roku Stick+ as a media player, both natively and using HDFury Integral to inject the HDR infoframe. XBOX One X media player and HDFury Integral to inject HDR infoframe. Each time using 21 grey scale (0% - 100%) on a 10% window. Measured twice with two different colorimeters and HCFR software.   in each test I then repeated the exact same procedure on a Samsung MU6400 TV to prove the procedure worked on another TV. The MU6400 used a correct HLG EOTF curve, whereas the KS8000 always used an incorrect HLG EOTF curve. Conveniently the MU6400 shows HLG when receiving HLG, so I was able to verify that my tests were creating HLG content and infoframe.   I believe there maybe media players that take HLG content and convert it to HDR10 before output to HDMI.   I have also subsequently repeated the same tests on my current TV, a Panasonic FZ952, which displays the correct HLG EOTF curve.   All these tests convinced me that the KS TVs use the wrong HLG EOTF curve on their HDMI inputs. The correct EOTF curve is used on the TVs internal apps (media player & YouTube). This also correlates with testers on the Italian forum who experienced washed out pictures when using Sky Q with HDFury Integral correcting the EDID data.   It should be very simple for anyone with a colorimeter to repeat these tests on a KS TV with the new test firmware to establish if Samsung have fixed this fault in the HLG EOTF curve.   EDIT: @UHDHDR, what device did you test with? And are you sure it actually outputs HLG on HDMI or does it convert HLG content to HDR10+ when outputting on HDMI? I am using the YouTube app via a Samsung M9500 blu ray player. Judging by the HLG via HDMI curve from your tests, there should be extreme over brightening that produces a very washed out image. I've experienced none of that. The image looks 100% identical to the same content via the internal app.   I would be shocked if the player is converting HLG to HDR10. The player has HDMI 2.0b ports, so it can easily transmit HLG. It would have been much more difficult for Samsung to convert HLG to HDR10 than it would to simply add HLG compatibility, so it would have made no sense for them to do.   Perhaps the issue lies with the way the HDFury is injecting the HDR infoframe when hooked up to the KS8000. ... View more

@tarbat wrote: @tarbat wrote: Has anyone with this new firmware actually tested some HLG calibration test content to measure whether the luminance response curve matches the correct HLG EOTF curve? If so, what was the maximum NITS measured on a 10% window at 100% luminence? On the old non-HLG firmware, the maximum was less than 500 NITS, so nowhere near the maximum luminance the TV is capable of. Until someone does that, we have no idea if this test firmware completely fixes the HLG problem on KS TVs. And here's the calibration chart I posted back in June demonstrating just how wrong the HLG EOTF curve is on the current firmware. If someone with the new test firmware can perform the same tests, that will prove that HLG is genuinely fixed beyond just the EDID fix.   Which external device were you using when you performed this test, and was there a noticeable difference when you compared the same HLG content via the internal apps vs an external device?   I ask because I've been able to get HLG via HDMI from my M9500 player for several months now, and playing the same HLG content from the TV's internal app and the M9500 player, the content looks identical.   I'm nearly 100% confident that the problem lies with whatever external device you are using. ... View more

What does everyone think of this: https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Q/Which-setting-to-watch-sky-uhd-content-in/td-p/2878456 Apparently Sky supports HDR10+ according to that thread. ... View more

@tarbat wrote: @paul1277 wrote: I missed that about 2018 models. So are you saying their 2018 have problems and what are they?  I posted about this a week ago.  See http://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/TV-Audio-Video/KS-OWNERS-ONLY-Sky-to-introduce-HDR-content-on-Sky-Q-from-March/m-p/608037#M16274     It wouldn't suprise me if Samsung have got the HLG EOTF wrong. This must be happening only with the Roku, because I am not getting a washed out look at all via my internal YouTube app or via HDMI from my M9500 player's YouTube app when viewing HLG content. Also not getting this washed out look when viewing HLG via USB.   There will be a diference when comparing HDR10 with HLG, as HDR10 will look punchier, but HLG is not far off in terms of quality, and certainly not washed out on my set. ... View more

@mrtickle wrote: Samsung were dishonest about HDR10+, but it shouldn't be bitter now - because it turns out tat there is zero HDR10Plus content. NONE!   We've been hearing about it at trade shows for almost two years now - and yet, it's the only format with not one single downloadable demo in the entire world. Not ONE! But there are loads of Dolby Vision demos (pronounced "dole-bee" if you're American - yes I was shocked to hear it too). Because Dolby WANT you to see their format.   There have been several Samsung press releases claiming Amazon were streaming HDR10+, but they are all baseless. Amazon's own help page (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201648150&sa-no-redirect=1) says that "If your television is compatible, and the Prime Video title supports it, an "HDR10+" label appears instead of the normal "HDR" label in the video details.".   Not one user has ever seen that HDR10+ label appear in Amazon's app on their Samsung 2017/8 model TV.    There is zero proof whatsoever that Amazon are streaming it, because both Amazon and Samsung are behaving badly: 1. Samsung refuses to update their 2017/2018 TVs such that, when it's getting HDR10+, it TELLS the viewer it is (a bit like that very annoying "an HDR video is playing" slide-down banner. Remember, this is a TV app NOT a HDMI input - so you can't use the "info" banner on the TV. 2. Amazon refuses to use the HDR10+ logo on the Info page for a programme, and the playback progess bar.    So Samsung and Amazon deserve each other, quite frankly, and if either of them expect viewers to get excited about a format which they can't even tell the users they are delivering, they are deluded.   HDR10+ effectively is vapourware - so not at all worth getting upset about   @UHDHDR, perhaps you could try out the Amazon Video app on this player which has the extra picture info? See if their brash and unlikely claims about streaming HDR10+ are true? I'd like to be proven wrong, because we'd have an actual answer. It may be the first way anyone can actually test if HDR10Plus is being output down the HDMI cable.   Unfortunately, the detailed info only applies to disc playback. I'll make sure to check all new Fox and WB discs from here on out though. If one of them have HDR10+, I should be able to verify. ... View more

Some interesting information regarding the Samsung M9500 blu ray player. I now believe that HDR10+ has indeed been added to this player in the latest update. The player has more detailed information than the TV regarding the source as well as what is being displayed - things like color space, codec, whether it's HDR or SDR, information about audio, etc. Anyways, prior to the latest firmware update, it would only say if a disc was HDR, but would not specify what HDR format. After the update, it specifically states that a disc is HDR10. I believe this change was made to differentiate between HDR10 and HDR10+. The nice thing about this is that info is displayed about the source as well as what is actually displayed by the TV. So even if the TV does not support HDR10+, I can still see if a disc contains HDR10+ (if they ever actually release any.) ... View more

@Dazeboy wrote: @UHDHDR wrote: So I stated a while back that HLG via the Samsung M9500 blu ray player produced a very oversaturated image with skin tone being extremely dark red. There was a firmware update on the M9500 that fixed the issue, and now HLG looks identical to the internal apps on the TV. Hopefully that's a sign that the HLG issues on the TV will be fixed soon as well. Samsung also said that the M9500/M8500/M7500 would get HDR10+ this summer, but obviously I have no way of checking if this update added HDR10+ to the player. Hi I recently bought the m9000 Bluray player and received a firmware update 1111. But the iplayer still doesn't receive the hgl4k stream does your m9500?      Probably asked before but god there over 400 pages      I don't have iPlayer because I'm not from Canada. The reason I came here was because, for some reason, the issues regarding HLG and lack of HDR10+ were discussed more widely on this forum than on the North American forum.    However, the M9500 does support HLG from YouTube. You can check it out by viewing these videos:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrX0jzOecPc   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0OCykbdEtg   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qShr3wsMOPQ   Prior to firmware 1111, these videos looked really bad. Oversaturated and extremely garish. Now they look exactly as they do when viewing them through the TV's internal app. ... View more

So I stated a while back that HLG via the Samsung M9500 blu ray player produced a very oversaturated image with skin tone being extremely dark red. There was a firmware update on the M9500 that fixed the issue, and now HLG looks identical to the internal apps on the TV. Hopefully that's a sign that the HLG issues on the TV will be fixed soon as well. Samsung also said that the M9500/M8500/M7500 would get HDR10+ this summer, but obviously I have no way of checking if this update added HDR10+ to the player. ... View more

Vincent Teoh put up a video on the picture quality of the World Cup in HLG on the iPlayer. He used a new Panasonic OLED. He said the difference in picture quality from game to game is due to the varying bit rates. For example, during the first few games, the picture quality was great. However, during the England game, the bit rate was lowered significantly due to increased traffic, and he noticed a softer image with muted colors. I think some people here mentioned they experienced the same thing, and they thought it might be because of the TV. But it looks like that was normal. ... View more

So was anyone able to watch the Russia/Saudi Arabia game in HDR? ... View more

@tarbat wrote: q2 @gfsracing wrote: Maybe HD fury is not the answer  Correct. HDFury is not the answer.  Nor is the Roku Stick+ or the Virgin Media V6.   In fact anything that feeds HLG to the HDMI inputs won't work.   I finally got some time today to check the gamma curve being used by the KS8000 when receiving an HLG source.  Despite what the Italian Sky Q users have reported, I don't think the KS8000 is applying the correct gamma curve.   I compared identical inputs on both my 2018 MU6400 TV, and the KS8000 TV.  It's obvious that the KS8000 is not using an HLG gamma curve with the rec.709 colour space. I can’t comment on how it handles HLG with a rec.2020 colour space.   There might not be an issue with HLG BT2020, based on what a previous poster stated.   It seems like all of us are having different experiences with HLG over HDMI based on the source.  ... View more

@blenky wrote: @UHDHDR wrote: @blenky wrote: @Gimpfont wrote: Talk in the AVS forum... http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/2387466-official-samsung-ks8000-ks8500-owners-thread-1140.html   The KS is noticing HDR Roku+, enabling it's HDR settings (backlight 20 etc.) however it is not playing the HDR correctly (in HLG)... may not be as simple as an EDID fix I now get the football loop on my Virgin Media V6 as well as the Roku+.  I can't comment if it's displaying the HDR correctly but what I see with my eyes is that the non HDR picture from the V6 is impressive but  a SDR UHD picture. The picture from the Roku is as sharp but more vibrant.  It does not look over saturated to me.  Is the Roku displaying the image in HDR? Yes it does. Now my V6 has the same loop but in SDR UHD I can make a real comparison. Both look good but the Roku is brighter and more vibrant and 100% in HDR.  Good to hear.   Perhaps only some content is being displayed incorrectly. The HLG videos I've seen via HDMI have been YouTube videos, encoded as VP9 Profile 2. ... View more

@blenky wrote: @Gimpfont wrote: Talk in the AVS forum... http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/2387466-official-samsung-ks8000-ks8500-owners-thread-1140.html   The KS is noticing HDR Roku+, enabling it's HDR settings (backlight 20 etc.) however it is not playing the HDR correctly (in HLG)... may not be as simple as an EDID fix I now get the football loop on my Virgin Media V6 as well as the Roku+.  I can't comment if it's displaying the HDR correctly but what I see with my eyes is that the non HDR picture from the V6 is impressive but  a SDR UHD picture. The picture from the Roku is as sharp but more vibrant.  It does not look over saturated to me.  Is the Roku displaying the image in HDR? ... View more