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Samsung will not Honour Warranty on Z fold 4 inner screen fault

(Topic created on: 16-07-2024 05:30 PM)
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UD52
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With only a couple of months left on my 2 year warranty I get this unwelcome sight of my inner screen on the Z fold 4.

It started off with a very slim line of dead pixels and then continued to expand over the next few days. See photos

I go through the usual process of registering for support online and they sent me to an EE shop appointment. They get me to fill and sign a form in the EE shop, take my phone and wipe it and then come back to tell me it's not in warranty because of scratches and scuffs on the OUTSIDE frame of the phone. Presumably they mean the ones on the corner of the frame.

So having to go through the hassle of taking a day off work and then trying to get my phone back up and running again I rang Samsung directly and they gave me the same response. When I respond to the effect that scratches and scuffs cannot be avoided in the regular day to day usage of the phone, they come back to me stating there are phone cases available to prevent this.

Really?

Are we expected to have phone cases on our phones all the time to prevent the warranty being voided? If so, I don't see this being advertised in their marketing material.

Now the thing is, the dead pixels did not coincide with any bumps on the phone. But perhaps Samsung may not take my word on this, I get it. However, if it were not for the fact that other people are experiencing the same issue online, I would have given them the benefit of the doubt.

A cursory Google search will confirm this issue is widespread:

<https://community.ee.co.uk/t5/Android-Devices/Galaxy-fold-screen-issues/td-p/1234187/page/3>

<https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-z-fold-z-flip/samsung-z-fold-4-internal-screen-issue/td-p...>

<https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/galaxy-z-fold-z-flip/z-fold-4-inner-screen-failure/td-p/9270747>

And there are others on Reddit reporting the same issue.

I get the feeling Samsung is aware of this issue and evading their responsibilities under the warranties they provide due to the high cost of having to fix this inner screen design fault.

Never have I had issues like this with all my previous phones through Samsung and the one-time I need their assistance, this is the treatment I get.

Completely unacceptable from a company worth hundreds of £Billions, especially given the premium price tag of the phone. Very disappointed to say the least.

 

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Mark29359
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I had the same problem with my flip 4. I will never have another flip phone even if it was offered to me. Samsung have really dropped the ball with the flip and fold phones.
UD52
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Yes, I'm steering clear of these experimental designs. I have had to replace it with an s24 ultra as the main reason for getting the fold was the pen input.

But I should not have had to fork out another premium price for this.

It's unfortunate that there are no other competitors with pen input and similar spec.
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Robin999
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A Samsung technician could argue that it's been dropped. They can't take your (or anyone's word) for it. How can they? All they can go off is the condition of the device when inspected.

Although it doesn't specifically say the phone has to be in case, the limited warranty terms do outline the conditions where the device is not covered.

Note the bit about cosmetic damage. Maybe a case may have saved you here?

What is Not Covered? This Limited Warranty is conditioned upon proper use of Product by Purchaser. This Limited Warranty does not cover: (a) defects or damage resulting from accident, misuse, abuse, neglect, unusual physical, electrical or electromechanical stress, or modification of any part of Product, including antenna, or cosmetic damage; (b) equipment that has the serial number removed or made illegible; (c) any plastic surfaces or other externally exposed parts that are scratched or damaged due to normal use; (d) malfunctions resulting from the use of Product in conjunction with accessories, products, or ancillary/peripheral equipment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG; (e) defects or damage from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, or adjustment; (f) installation, maintenance, and service of Product. This Limited Warranty covers batteries only if battery capacity falls below 80% of rated capacity or the battery leaks, and this Limited Warranty does not cover any battery if (i) the battery has been charged by a battery charger not specified or approved by SAMSUNG for charging the battery, (il) any of the seals on the battery are broken or show evidence of tampering, or (iii) the battery has been used in equipment other than the SAMSUNG phone for which it is specified

Now, whether you agree or disagree, you have to acknowledge that there's cosmetic damage clearly visible in your photo. This, unfortunately, would fall into the category of cosmetic damage. Whether that's down to accident, misuse, or neglect is not something a technician can determine. They just see the damage and tick a box.

I hope in the future you can invest in a case (at least) and wish you well with whatever device you decide to go with next.
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UD52
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Robin, thanks for your response.

I understand that there is the small print which will (or they hope) protect Samsung's position legally.

But my question is one of practicality (which is how a judge in a court may see it rather than some small print people are compelled to sign): should everyone reasonably be expected to put a case on their Samsung phones to ensure they don't void their warranty? If so, should this not be clearly advertised?

If not, how can you avoid cosmetic scratches and scuffs on the outside of your phone in daily usage? Especially as most of the time these devices go in your pocket and accompany a host of other items people keep in their pockets.

Do you really believe that all these people online complaining about the exact same issue are in reality dropping their phones and making up this issue as being not their fault but rather a potential design issue?
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Robin999
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Put it this way...imagine if every user sent their device in for a FREE repair when they 'accidentally on purpose' damaged their device. I'm pretty sure ANY company, no matter how wealthy, would quickly go out of business.

You ask if everyone should use a case and why it isn't advertised. Good grief, common sense? These things are made of glass, plastic, metal. You acknowledge that one can't avoid cosmetic damage, but you must also acknowledge that one can minimise it or avoid it altogether with a case. I've owned my S23U since launch, and it's in pristine condition. Yours, on the otherhand, looks like it's been kicked down the road.
How can a piece of plastic or metal getting scratched be a design issue. I wish I could invent an unscratchable material, cheap enough for mass production. I'd be rich beyond imagination.

I tend not to believe what I read online. 99.9999999% of them are eejits.
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UD52
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The cosmetic scratches are a red herring. I am not claiming they are a design issue and am not expecting Samsung to repair them.

The point is cosmetic scratches and scuffs are unavoidable in the regular day to day usage of a phone, especially 22 months in.

What is not ok is for Samsung to be using cosmetic scratches on the outside of a phone as an excuse to evade their warranty responsibility concerning the inner screen fault which I believe is quite likely a design fault.
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Hi, first of all I am on your side with the Samsung inspection and caveats before any repair.   However I have zoomed into your photo attached, and specifically towards the 'cosmetic scratches' you refer. 

I would assume that the engineer has seen this and assumed a drop has occurred.  I would tend to agree with their assessment based upon this impact mark.   'Small scratches' due to things rubbing against the case such as coins and items in pocket would probably be accepted and unlikely cause this type of damage.   

This issue in your photo looks like 'impact damage' of some kind, and this is probably the reason for your warranty claim being dismissed.   

Whilst it is unlikely that the screen breakage has anything to do with the impact that has occurred, is probably another matter.  I think Samsung try and find any small reasons why they shouldn't replace a costly screen, and by finding this impact, it makes their decision easier.    I think the Fold 5 and Fold 6 have improvements made to the screen robustness, but the Fold4 have a lot of issues that have been discussed on forums like here.

 

To be honest I am considering moving into foldables, but experiences like this are one reason why I haven't yet.   There is a certain fragile nature to folding screens still... and perhaps adds more risk that the alternative monoblock design.    There seem less instances of this happening on the later models, so I hope that things are improving. 

Sorry you have had this experience.  I hope you manage to get a new screen for it.  Although I suspect you might not get far with warranty based upon their assessment. 

 

Good luck 

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Over the years, I've heard various reasons for Samsung not honoring their warranty, including scratches, dents on the housing, pinholes on the inner screen, edges of the screen protector peeling off, water damage, and more. Essentially, it seems they can find any reason imaginable.

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Yes agreed.   Again, the 'foldable glass' theory for me is still one of relative immaturity.  I am not so sure that glass is meant to be continually bent ! :smiling-face:    In many of these cases it is very likely a glass failure and not impact, but if there is evidence of damage on any of the corners then that is all they need to see before making a disclaimer. 

 

And that is why for all my purchases I will go onto Assurant and take out at least 1 year of accidental damage cover... it is just too much of a risk with such a high cost of device these days.  I mean even monoblock phones glass can be brittle and break front or back.    I am a careful owner of most of my phones, but you can never be too careful. 

https://sales.samsungcareplus.assurant.co.uk/dashboard

In fact the insurance cover direct from Assurant on a monthly rolling basis, at the time it worked out cheaper than getting when you buy the phone from Samsung.   For my S23U it was £5.99 a month... cancel whenever you choose to.  (Edit:  seems to have gone up since to £7.99)

I haven't yet had to make a claim through the insurance... and there is an excess fee payable with a claim.   But this all gives peace of mind. 

p.s. in this instance from the OP above,  it appears there is some impact damage... AKA  'accidental damage' you can't expect Samsung to warrant the damage surely.  But i would also be trying my best if it was me and I didn't have insurance cover.     Ultimately,. if you make a drop of a phone, however minor, then the onus is on the owner, not the manufacturer.   

The optional insurance for accidental damage covers that instance and should be an absolute MUST in my view...whoever the insurance is with... some third parties offer competitive device insurance as well.    So all bases should then be covered ... whether it be manufacturer warranty... or accidental damage claim. 

P.s. here is a link to the T&Cs for Samsung Care+ if interested.

https://samsungcareplus-api.sales.assurant.co.uk/api/v1/resource/getSiteFinityFile?type=file&v=&cult...



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