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HW-K650 and Two R1 Wirelss Speakers in 5.1 With KS7000 TV

Explorer

I had no issues installing the app on my Windows 10 computer. Once I grouped the speakers in the mobile app, I was able to set EQ in the Windows app. I have yet to test, however. 

 

My speakers are still on the really old firmware that seems to be the last good working one.

Navigator

Hi all,

 

A bit late to the party, but I just picked up X2 WAM3500(R3) to hook up to my HWJ750 soundbar that is connected via ethernet to my router. 

 

The TV it all plays off is a KS9000 (UK)

 

Issue I have with the R3s is getting surround to work. I followed the guide to connect them to the soundbar, but this forces the SB into Multi Channel mode.

 

As far as I can hear, the sound effect is very much like stereo rather than any kind of surround.

 

Further to that, there is a -7 difference in volume between the R3s to the soundbar and I cannot figure out a way to get them matched up. This isn't such an issue when watching TV, but when I'm streaming Spotify etc I'd prefer them more balanced.

 

Lastly, if I try to put the TV back into SOUND CONNECT mode to the TV, the R3s don't output any sound.

 

I've set the Wireless speaker modes to PCM only if that makes any difference (I read somewhere that was best)

 

Is there anything I'm missing?

 

All devices are on latest firmware as of this post.

 

Thank you for any assistance

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
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Explorer

Sorry to tell you but if I were you  I’d  return the R3s while you can. This setup doesn’t work or sound  good at all. Samsung has shown no intention of fixing the issues. 

Navigator

>I've set the Wireless speaker modes to PCM only if that makes any difference (I read somewhere that was best)

 

To get real surround you need to set sound output in your TV to Dolby Digital, not PCM. With PCM you're gonna get stereo mixed to fake surround.

 

>but when I'm streaming Spotify etc I'd prefer them more balanced.

 

Are you using Samsung Multiroom app? If you want to stream music to both R3's and soundbar it's better to set them as "Group" in multiroom app, not as surround (multi channel). 

When they are in group mode you can adjust volume of each speaker individually.

 

If your volume in surround mode is too low while watching TV, click on three dots near your surround group in Multiroom app, press configure and put both R3's to +6. You can also do that in TV's sound options if you are using WiFi connection

 

Anyway, like Bryantay said. R3's as surround are very problematic. I guess Samsung couldn't figure out how to make them work properly, cause all the new soundbars use SWA9000 or SWA 8500 speakers as rears. 

You just plug a small reciever to the back of the soundbar, and they connect directly, without your home's router. Everything works as it should. There's no lag, volume levels are fine, and you can adjust everything via remote, even change sound modes. 

 

R3's are very nice for music though, i keep mine in "stereo mode" and listen a lot of music through them.

Navigator

We often use the Spotify app that's built into the TV, does this mean that I would need to go into the multi room app everytime I wish to swap from TV (in surround mode) to music (put it in group mode)?

 

Either way, on the soundbar it still shows M.Channel.

 

Them rear speakers you mentioned, doesn't look like they are compatible with my sound bar.

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
Navigator

If you are listening music via TV app and everything is in surround mode it will sound very different to just grouping the speakers together. In surround mode there's almost no bass on R3s, they are mostly used to create wider soundstage. You can still set them to +6 in multiroom app and the Soundbar to - 6 to get them to play louder (but their sound will still be very thin).

I prefer just using group mode and inbuild Tidal in Multiroom  app. It works just like multi room feature on high end music systems. 

 

Before introduction of radiant speakers as rears, Samsung had Swa-8000 as rears to their Soundbars. I think they were similar to Swa-9000 and compatible with some J models, but not sure which. It has to be a small USB like port on your bar to connect the wireless dongle if yours is compatible. 

Navigator

Ok been playing around ALOT with the R3s connected over WiFi to my HWJ7500 soundbar and I think I'm almost in a good place.

 

Got the surround effect working and on most content it sounds great. No issues with subwoofer, bass in general or volume. All very good.

 

Though not all content is equal. When trying out Justice League 4K Bluray the effects, voices etc were spot on.

 

Switching over to Blue Planet 2 4K Bluray once again sound effects were great, but could barely hear David Attenboroughs amazing narrative at all through the center channel.

 

Rears Rears set at +6 & SB at middle...I tried cranking SB all the way up but nothing changed.

 

Then upon regular TV viewing, it's almost like been in a fishbowl.

 

Played some games on PS4 Pro & Xbox X....very impressive.

 

So I'm abit stumped, as Samsung in there wisdom have removed any Equaliser settings.

 

I did hit some Spotify too, and that actually sounded very good. Clear etc. I'm no audiophile, but it's certainly ALOT better than just the soundbar 

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
Explorer

Just a matter of time before you relize that in this configuration your soundbar will sound very tinny and loose all it fullness. 

Navigator

Yep your right 

 

Wasn't home last night, wife went to watch TV and all settings lost. Zero audio. 

Was working fine when I left 

 

Best I could get out of it upon my return was extremely muddy audio out of the soundbar.

 

 

Only fix was a full reset of the TV & Speakers.

 

Samsung products over the past year have been total *****.

 

Not sure how to go about my surround fix now other than going full Sonos or Bose.

 

Edit: yep noticed the fullness. Sound bar on its own blows the "surround set" with the R3s.

 

They are getting sent back.

 

Any recommendations welcome

 

https://twitter.com/ToonTonic/status/1024182158112575488?s=19

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
Apprentice

I remember getting the soundbar at xmas 2016 and excitedly doing research online for the R1s, R3s, or even, hell, the R5s.

 

Research said that nothing good was really going to come of it, as the soundbar and speakers have diverging firmware, so even if they all were fixed for a while, changes to the firmware of either the soundbar or speaker would mean problems again.

 

I took the soundbar back and picked up the last Sony BDV-n7200w in the shop and haven't looked back yet. Discrete 5.1 with the rear speakers being wireless to the main front unit. Excellent and recommended.

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