for the r1s mine just shows 3117? i have tried to update the app tells me its uptodate nothing else on the 650 i am on 1145.1 again app tells me uptodate. Assume like most of these  updates its to enhance third party services rather than to enhance products?   ... View more

i have as i mentioned connected via wifi,  i have not been succesful at trying the soundbar on hdmi and the speakers working with wifi via the multiroom app, the tv menu only seems to allow for either or? unless i am been thick ( more than likely) so why would i try that in the first place? the sound from bar connected via hdmi ( bear in mind when i do this the surrounds dont work) just sounds better to these ears, and when connected via the hdmi, the sound is also a lot louder from the soundbar, as soon as i connect using wifi ( as in all speakers are working) the soundbar volume drops considerably. the sound from the r1s is there but quite frankly just sounds , well very tinny? assume that is how it is supposed to be , reading the forum there are quite of lot of concerns about SQ etc. i have tried out putting tv in both dolby and pcm, esteemed members on the forum suggest out put needs to be set to DD rather than pcm, however when i switch to Pcm, volume jumps considerably, is this normal, the SQ from both sounds ok to me? Any thoughts? thx in advance Keith  ... View more

i will keep the wifi settings I think as you advise, it seems the most elegant solution, is there a technique to getting it working with an echo dot? I have asked Alexa to add new speakers (which I have renamed as per Alexa skills instructions) but nothing seems to be found? thx ... View more

wow , really good stuff , many thanks! ... View more

should have mentioned when all 3 speakers are working together the 650 shows its in wifi mode when on hdmi/arc only soundbar works. thx ... View more

Thanks for help so far chaps, so after buying just the 0ne r6 then realising i needed 2 rear speakers i returned it and purchased 2 r1s, so all connected and working. Sounds quite good so far however would appreciate valuble insight from those that have helped create such an intersting forum so far. So tv is a samsung 8 series sound bar originally connected to Tv via Arc input using a hdmi, this lead is still pluggesd in the back. Guess it can stay there? So  i seem to have connected my 3 speakers to the tvs wifi as opposed to connecting each individual speaker to the router. Is this an acceptable way to go or should i reset the speakers and connect individually to the router? When i group the speakers ms650 controls become non funstional, eg bass/smart/surround/music/pop etc is this normal? they also disappear on the app , the app tells me to disconnect from the tv to play music as an example, any help greatly appreciated thx Keith  ... View more

many thx for the steer, appreciated. ... View more

one last assist plz, other than the very expensive sub samsung offer to match the ms 650 are there others in there range ( or anybody elses) that could work with the 650? thx ... View more

many thx ... View more

many thanks for the replies, just one other question, do i need to use another r6 or can i use a cheaper r1? thx ... View more

Thanks for the information, thats a blow as i really didnt want to get into having to buy any more speakers as well as finding places were to fit them! Thx ... View more

Hi Newbie, here hoping someone can give me a quick steer. I have a hw-ms 650. I have just purchased an R6 did add a bit of back speaker. I own a 2017 samsung tv as well. I do not seem to be able to connect both the 650 and r6 simultaneously? the 650 is connected via a hdmi lead as well as potentially wifi. I have down loaded the samsung multiroom app and both units connect to it on the same wifi network that the tv connects to. Both the 650 and the r6 appear in the app and using speaker selection on the tv i can listen to both units independantly but not together. I can not select the multilink setting on the tv, i spoke to samsung and they told me i need to purchase another r6? i am loathe to do this as i am not after a 5.1 type solution, just wanted a bit of a sound out put behind me. So any way to get the two units working together? any help appreciated, many thanks   ... View more