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Smartphone video - Support for 50Hz regions

(Topic created on: 31-01-2025 12:05 AM)
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DJSherz
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Please Samsung! We love your phone cameras, they take stunning photos, and the video footage is so close to being good enough to ditch the camcorder altogether, except that the video isn't compatible for those of us who live in PAL (50Hz) regions.

Framerates like 30 and 60fps are all well and good if you live in the States, but for those of us in Europe and other parts of the world it means that it doesn't translate well to our TV system. For proper compatibility we really need 25 and 50fps as an option, along with suitable shutter speeds such as 1/50th and 1/100th sec. Any camcorder you buy anywhere in the world will have a setting to choose these options, so surely a flagship cameraphone should be able to manage this? Surely it wouldn't be that hard to implement - after all the hardware is all there, it just needs the right firmware/software update. Blackmagic have proved that it's possible with their camera app for the S24/25 after all, so please could you guys do likewise for the native camera app? So many of us have been asking for this small fix for years now.

Cheers, John

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arianwen27
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Modern tvs should support 60hz just fine. Tvs being 50hz only isn't really a thing anymore. Unless you have a crt or ancient plasma or flat screen, there shouldn't be an issue with the current recording settings. The 50hz thing was because tvs were at the frame rate of the power grid, with the compute power and technology we have today, we aren't locked to that 50hz anymore. If your specific tv has issues with 60hz, maybe look at the settings.

Though pro video mode allows you to use 24fps if you seriously do have issues with 60 and 30
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DJSherz
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If I'm using ONLY the Samsung it's less of a problem, but more often than not it'll be one of several sources used in the final edit, such as my drone, action cam and other video cameras. These all run at 25 or 50fps, and so the edit will be set to either 25 or 50. Adding 30fps footage to a 25fps timeline is a headache, resulting in jerky motion where the odd frame has to be dropped to make it fit. I just wish Samsung and others would just give us the option, it really doesn't seem like that big of an ask!

arianwen27
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Aaaah, sorry then, read it as an average person trying to play stuff on their tv. I see what you mean now. Would be really nice to see custom frame rates but I doubt it'd happen any time soon sadly.

I know it's not a great solution but your editing software might have some filter or system to smooth out the dropped frame. Like motion interpolation or something of that nature. Again, it's in no way a good solution but hey, might help.

Oh and now to the dumb idea. I wonder if 30fps mode with auto fps on and the perfect light would make the phone drop to 25fps. It'd be a miracle to get it perfect but theoretically you could
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john206
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This is not about playing on TV. In my opinion, the lack of 25/50 fps in Samsung is a very serious problem. Especially since the main competitor, Apple, offers such options in the menu.

Did you know that about 75% of the world's population/countries use the 25/50 fps broadcast standard? This may be surprising at first glance, but just look at the map. Just check where the 50 Hz power grid is. Just check where the PAL and SECAM standards used to be (except for very strange variations such as PAL-M used in Brazil, 60 Hz). The frame rate was transferred to the digital world without changes due to the need to maintain compatibility.

The main territories using the 60 Hz standard are the USA and Japan. And Korea. And after that it is clear why equipment from these countries, incompatible with the local video system, is simply flooding us! Other standards are not known in the USA and Korea, and someone once said that most IT specialists have no idea about video standards. That's why they release such *****.

This is the sad picture. In the past, you could freely exchange recordings with your colleagues, edit them, even insert fragments from TV broadcasts as quotes, fair use of course, and there was absolutely no problem with frame rates. And now it's a nightmare. For example, in Europe, professional equipment records in 25/50 fps, this is the industry standard, these are the EBU recommendations, these are the requirements (shutter compatibility) so that the video does not show interference from 50Hz lights. This standard is used in the industry, also for filming the biggest global events. The last Olympics in Paris were broadcast natively in 50 fps. That's it, this is the industry standard.

And smartphones have completely broken this standard! You exchange recordings with colleagues, you get a trash bin of mixed 24/25/30/50/60 fps. It's a real nightmare for professional video editors.

Currently, Samsung is not suitable for professional work due to the lack of 25/50 fps. This is ridiculous, such options are almost everywhere, even in surveillance cameras and drones. But in flagship smartphones of such a large manufacturer - no. Samsung, a total shame. Users have been reporting this problem for years and Samsung does nothing.

To make it even funnier - many videos on European Samsung profiles on YouTube are made in... 25 fps. Not 24, not 30. Exactly 25, the cinema-like standard in Europe. And Samsung smartphones still can't record video in 25 fps.

Samsung, please ask one of your engineers to respond to this thread.

 

Foreverfilm
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I also complain about the same problem but I find the lack of this setting very serious, it is not so easy to adapt a video at 30 or 60fps on a timeline at 25 or 50fps. in addition to the fact that you could record at 1/25s to gain even more light during shooting, I remember that with previous models it was possible to set 1/25s.
How come instead of improving the products you make them worse??

I await a solution as soon as possible

CaptainPeter
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John, I totally agree with your agument. My Samsung A70 would accommodate 25/50 variations but since that phone "broke" I have moved to Galaxy s25 and I am unhappy. The world does NOT revolve around 60Hz. Please get your software developers moving, Samsung.

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