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I feel like Samsung might be snoozing in terms of haptic feedback

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Deni-B
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Since the release of the Galaxy S22 series, Samsung has been using a vibration motor similar to the taptic engine on Apple devices. However, when the S25 series came out, Samsung put in the haptic motor of the older S20 Ultra, or at least it's what it sounds like. It's less subtle, the base frequency of the motor has been increased by what sounds like 10 Hz, and really impacts the experience for those who prefer strong and precise feedback. Taps do not feel as subtle as before, and it's simply not the same. Instead of upgrading to something like piezoelectric or just putting in the same vibrator, they put a downgrade. As I said, audiophiles, or some users who like very subtle and sharp feedback, such as myself, will find this very disappointing. Similar to the fact that Samsung removed Bluetooth from the S Pen, but that was more or less because almost nobody was using the features it offered. I am not sure if it's because they want to make up for the increase in price for the Snapdragon processor or something else, but I feel like it should be fixed with the next series, especially because this is a flagship category.
I hope I was clear when I made my point. Thanks for your pacience and understanding.

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Ciprian14
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Hello there Deni!
Although I truly understand your frustration and I understand you perfectly, you have reasons to be frustrated, I think you were a little too harsh and that is also the reason for the denial comments to your post.
I think that we as users shouldn't be harsh, but instead explanatory, informative, and give Samsung explainations as to why it needs to be different.
And so, we'll start with the answer, then we'll expand on it.
The answer is: For those users that keep their vibration feedback on by default, this makes a difference. And the more premium the vibration motor, the more premium the phone feels.
I'll start by explaining about the base frequency. Now this is quite the subjective topic. On the one hand, the current base frequency on the S25Ultra makes the vibrations a bit stronger than the ones on the S24, S23 and the S22, but the previous base frequency felt smoother. Quiet confidence.

And, in fact, this is the issue of the current vibration motors. Not as great smoothness.
The second point I'll talk about in this reply is the take on the short vibrations not feeling as tappy.

Again, with this, I understand what Samsung wanted to do with this year's vibrations, they wanted to make them all stronger, that's why the motor's incapability to go all the way smooth and lite.
If you will pay attention, the base vibration frequency can be heard even in those lite vibrations such as the tapping on the keyboard, which depicts reduced smoothness.
Yes, the motor is clearly of a lower quality, since we can hear it buzzing, just like something would be wrong with it, that sound of a misplaced component vibrating when the vibration appears.
And while now I understand why all this had happened, and that is Samsung making the vibrations louder and punchyer, it takes away all the premium haptic experience from the vibrations, which I and some of us don't agree with, especially that we're paying for a phone of over 1000 dollars.

The lack of smoothness can be clearly observed when playing a call vibration pattern such as Spinning, Siren, or dubstep, which are all supposed to be smooth. Maybe it sounds and feels punchier, but that destroys the quiet confidence character we've been used to, that beauty of smoothness we've had for 3 years. That destroys the only vibration motor on Android that was rivaling Apple's Taptic engine. And while I feel like too this is a downgrade and Samsung needs to change this with the S26 series back to what it was at least if not to something even more advanced, it's important that we should be respectful towards companies and custommers alike.
If anyone at Samsung is looking at this message, I sinceerly hope they will understand this and, at least, bring back the haptic functionality we've been used to and, at least, not break what was already perfectly made.

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keith30
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So, who cares
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Ciprian14
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Hello there Deni!
Although I truly understand your frustration and I understand you perfectly, you have reasons to be frustrated, I think you were a little too harsh and that is also the reason for the denial comments to your post.
I think that we as users shouldn't be harsh, but instead explanatory, informative, and give Samsung explainations as to why it needs to be different.
And so, we'll start with the answer, then we'll expand on it.
The answer is: For those users that keep their vibration feedback on by default, this makes a difference. And the more premium the vibration motor, the more premium the phone feels.
I'll start by explaining about the base frequency. Now this is quite the subjective topic. On the one hand, the current base frequency on the S25Ultra makes the vibrations a bit stronger than the ones on the S24, S23 and the S22, but the previous base frequency felt smoother. Quiet confidence.

And, in fact, this is the issue of the current vibration motors. Not as great smoothness.
The second point I'll talk about in this reply is the take on the short vibrations not feeling as tappy.

Again, with this, I understand what Samsung wanted to do with this year's vibrations, they wanted to make them all stronger, that's why the motor's incapability to go all the way smooth and lite.
If you will pay attention, the base vibration frequency can be heard even in those lite vibrations such as the tapping on the keyboard, which depicts reduced smoothness.
Yes, the motor is clearly of a lower quality, since we can hear it buzzing, just like something would be wrong with it, that sound of a misplaced component vibrating when the vibration appears.
And while now I understand why all this had happened, and that is Samsung making the vibrations louder and punchyer, it takes away all the premium haptic experience from the vibrations, which I and some of us don't agree with, especially that we're paying for a phone of over 1000 dollars.

The lack of smoothness can be clearly observed when playing a call vibration pattern such as Spinning, Siren, or dubstep, which are all supposed to be smooth. Maybe it sounds and feels punchier, but that destroys the quiet confidence character we've been used to, that beauty of smoothness we've had for 3 years. That destroys the only vibration motor on Android that was rivaling Apple's Taptic engine. And while I feel like too this is a downgrade and Samsung needs to change this with the S26 series back to what it was at least if not to something even more advanced, it's important that we should be respectful towards companies and custommers alike.
If anyone at Samsung is looking at this message, I sinceerly hope they will understand this and, at least, bring back the haptic functionality we've been used to and, at least, not break what was already perfectly made.

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Ciprian14
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This is not the mentality we should be having. This, just like anything else that breaks with updates, takes away from the premium flagship experience. And in my opinion, this is Samsung's top of the line series. In my opinion there should not be any compromises to anything in regards to hardware, at least on the Ultra model.

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Deni-B
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I apologize for being too harsh. But I agree. The motor is great, precise enough, but just not as precise as previous years. I tried to explain as best I could, but sorry for being rude, or harsh, in any way. I was not trying to.

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Ciprian14
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You don't need to say sorry, it's all fine. It's just that we need to choose our words better when reporting such feedback. It's ok, but be calmer, more explanatory next time.

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This really is a 1st world problem! This is my 1st 'Ultra' out of all the other phones I've had when I took the plunge and switched to Samsung S22, S23, S24+ and now S25U, I don't notice a difference in its haptic feedback and think it's a fantastic device. Just my opinion, no disrespect to anyone else..... 

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