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A Plot Twist on the S24 Display Saga

(Topic created on: 03-02-2024 10:38 PM)
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UPDATE 1: Also read the post I marked as solution, it contains additional information based on some tests.

TLDR Version: I think it is a driver issue causing incorrect color reproduction and not a question of vibrancy or saturation, for details read below (reading time ~6 minutes...)

So I am an IT professional, AI expert, and tech enthusiast, I had the S23 Ultra since its release at the beginning of last year, it is a perfect and flawless device, everything just works, very polished, no-compromise experience.

When the S24 Ultra was announced, I saw it as a sidegrade, not much to be excited about if you already have the almighty S23 Ultra, and work daily with professional AI tools, but with the attractive pre-order promos I thought why not, a new toy for the new year, and you know life is short so enjoy, I even doubled-down and ordered TWO, one for me and one for the wife!

Because with Samsung something must always go wrong (in my experience at least), one of them got lost in the mail and went to another country, but thanks to probability theory, one of them arrived the next day and I have been playing with it for a few days now.

Of course out the box, the cold frosted grey titanium looked and felt super premium, and high quality, it was love at first sight until (as you might expect) I turned it on and a picture displayed on the screen, I was like huh... Why does this screen look so bad?? That is not the typical experience with a new Samsung phone where the screen is usually a WOW factor every year!

Fast forward a few days later, I got to learn about the "dull display" saga, and the polarized opinions between the group that thinks it is the best display ever, to the other that thinks it's outright unacceptable, and everything in between.

Below are my reflections:

1) From my experience, what is happening with this display is not a down-tuning of the color profile towards less saturated colors, nor is it a settings bug where switching between vivid and natural doesn't do anything, on the contrary in my observation there is a very noticeable change between vivid and natural and even effective temperature tuning settings from cold to hot.

2) The screen looks like a Windows or Linux PC without the correct display driver and/or color profile installed, what I think is happening is the colors reproduction and representation is just wrong, the color space coverage and greyscale gradient are not fully displayed, this results in all sorts of phenomenon described by users, so-called washed out and boring, grainy greys, lines, etc.

3) This is easily detectable in isolation by just using the phone without comparison, but more obviously in comparison not only with other Galaxy phones, but the screen colors look off in comparison to my OLED and QLED TVs from Samsung and other manufacturers, even in comparison to my laptops from DELL & HP, which don't use a "vivid" profile at all, the screen colors on the S24 Ultra are simply just OFF in general.

4) Some users say that this problem is present only in phone menus and icons, but not in media playback, videos and apps, in my experience this issue is present throughout with the exception of HDR10 (DCI-P3 content).

5) Today I played an HD video on both the S23U and S24U side by side, the video shows flowers and landscapes, the difference in picture quality was shockingly significant, the S23 Ultra had that "3D effect" where flowers and trees feel like they are popping out of the display, a similar effect to my Samsung NEO QLED TV, which is an indication of a very high picture quality when everything is just right, however, on the S24 Ultra the colors were muted and the display looked darker despite being technically brighter, and of course no 3D effect.

Under these findings I contacted Samsung's technical support, and the person I talked to was wise enough to escalate the case to specialists in the product team, and not try to give his random opinion like all the other cases we have seen in the news and other posts, so I am hoping for a responsible and conclusive response from the product specialists.

Under these circumstances, I personally have no option but to unfortunately return my S24 Ultras, if I don't get a conclusive answer that the display drivers will be updated, I don't mind natural colors, but they need to be correct colors covering the wide spectrum the display specifications support, until then, I will be rocking my trusty S23 Ultra until we see what the S25 series brings to the table next year, at the risk that life is too short and I might not be around next year!

Thank you for reading and apologies for the long post...

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Tech_Master
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Please let us know if this persists directly after a factory reset, without loading any of your previous settings or changing anything other than perhaps running the display on QHD.

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Kwekidd144
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I'm in the USA. If you have a camera issue then you really have no choice but to send it back. 

In terms of getting your device in on time, I think that they count it from the time it's scanned by the shipping company. So for example, Samsung uses UPS over here to ship out their phones. They send you a barcode with your package in case you want to return the device or the trade in. As long as it's scanned on or before the very last day then you're fine. In your case, just turn yours in by the 7th of this month and you'll be fine since Samsung  will get the notification once the shipping company scans the device the barcode for the return. At least that's how it is here in the US.

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Also here's a screenshot from https://testmyscreen.com/ with gradient test.

Screenshot_20240204_160208_Firefox.jpg

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Bt32
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I believe that the s24u is actually more colour accurate in sRGB mode, the calibration graphs from Dxomark show this, vivid does not equal colour accurate of course https://www.dxomark.com/samsung-galaxy-s24-ultra-display-test/

In fact I think the on the s23u, DCI P3 is still applied on the homescreen and throughout the whole phone, never fully changing to sRGB but on the s24u it goes to full sRGB 100% . This likely ties in with the YT video that said that the s24u only goes to 85% DCI P3 ,I believe the Youtuber was only testing on SDR content and not HDR.
I believe this is a deliberate design decision by Samsung to make the display colour accurate depending on the content (see the article I posted before about sRGB mode and applying DCI P3 to SDR content like the homescreen) and is technically the correct way of calibrating a display. In fact, this type of calibration started with the Zfold5 which has exactly the same behaviour and display colour. Of course, you can argue that people should have the choice of full DCI P3 acrosse the whole phone and this "incorrectly " calibrated display as before if they wish as an option.
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Kwekidd144
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I just watched a 4K video on YouTube on both the S22 Ultra and and the S24 Ultra side by side. The S24 Ultra looks so much better. However when I'm looking at just the screen with app icons and internet content, the S22 Ultra looks better. 

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@Bt32 I think sRGB for SDR and DCI-P3 for HDR is fine, that is not the issue, the issue is the color profile used for SDR is misconfigured, I hear what Dxomark is measuring, but to my eyes the colors are not correct, when red looks orange and black looks grey I know that gamma is set higher than needed and color saturation lower, I can make my TV look the same if I adjust these settings as such.

Samsung customers are not necessarily into accurate colors, creator intent and all that standard-based calibration, I for example never use my Samsung TV in color accurate movie mode, but instead increase colors a bit and lower gamma a bit for a more pleasing look. Samsung can't simply force one single color profile on people just because it follows some specifications, users should be able to adjust their very personal phone displays the way they want, still the previous setup was working fine, Natural is natural, and Vivid is color saturated, who even asked them to force natural on everyone? Imagine if they make their TVs support only one color profile who will accept that? Why is it okay to do on phones? It is not like people will get color poisoned or suffer health issues because of over exposure to colors! 😅

 

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I agree 100%. I buy Samsung products for their vibrancy. I have a S95B which looks amazing!!! Samsung is and has always been known for their color vibrancy. If they want to make their natural mode look more like creator's intent then that's grate. Just don't do mess with the other mode. Give people options or let people know before hand so that they are aware and can make the choice of they want to upgrade or not. Don't release the product, expect no one to notice the difference, and then when people do say "oh yeah. We forgot to mention that we're moving in a different direction with our colors in vibrant mode." That's not fair to the consumer. 

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Bt32
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Yes because the s22u is applying DCI P3 across the whole phone constantly it doesn't change to sRGB. sRGB on SDR content is more colour accurate.
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Bt32
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I agree, give people the choice and honestly it would be better if Samsung just came out and said that's what they're doing and you don't have that choice anymore. That's just my hunch on what's happening anyway and might not be. I stare at a £3.5k pro calibrated monitor everyday and it's very washed out looking and my s24u remind me of that!
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Thanks thats good to know 👍🏻. Honestly might end up returning this. I was told to do a factory reset which I've just done and now my instgram ap isn't working properly. I've allowed all permissions, cleared cashe and data and deleted and reinstalled 4 times 🤦🏼‍♀️. My bixby also won't open now or let me access it's settings. Nightmare haha.
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