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[iGadgetman]

A lot of my constructive, sometimes with a touch of disappointment posts get a marked as spam by Samsung. Member Stars tell me it is an automated system that does this. 

In my last post I asked what peoples impression was of OneUI7 on a S24. While highly anticipated I first was, I was also disappointed a bit. The postponement of the release, the features.....

It strengthens me in my believe that Samsung should separate the updates/upgrades

- Android release the moment Google releasing it

- OneUI as a launcher/skin can be released as when finished, yes they want a smooth experience but a launcher is a launcher. Nothing is perfect

- Google updates come in as they get released

- Samsung updates come in as they get released 

- Google apps are a daily thing in Play Store

- Samsung apps are a daily thing Samsung Store (lately)

- Third party apps get also regular updates in Play Store

Your view is appreciated.

[Dick]

@iGadgetman ,

Als je termen zoals 'gestuntel' gebruikt, kan ik me voorstellen dat het verwijderd wordt.
Het is niet de eerste keer dat je je negatief uitlaat richting Samsung en Apple vereert.
Mischien moet je dit achterwege laten. Zou je imago kunnen verbeteren.

Translation: If you use terms like 'bumbling' I can imagine it will be deleted.
This is not the first time you have been negative towards Samsung and praised Apple.
Maybe you should leave this out. It could improve your image.

[iGadgetman]

Dus ik moet Samsung de hemel in prijzen? Niets negatiefs? Op straffe? Het grappige is dat mijn Engelse bijdrage net als mijn Nederlandse eerst een SPAM melding kregen. Na een berichtje werd mijn Engelse bijdrage gewoon doorgelaten.  Maar zeg mij.... wat heeft Samsung allemaal in jou ogen goed gedaan? 8 maanden na release van Android 15? De belofte van 7 jaar onderhoud en ondersteuning van de software. Daar is heel wat mis gegaan. Mijn voorliefde voor Apple? Ja. Die weten wel hoe een release uit te brengen. Gelijktijdig wereldwijd en een open beta. 

Maar moet jij je niet bij TV en Soundbars houden? Vast en zeker zal je mijn antwoord wel blokkeren zoals ik bij het Nederlandse contingent Member Stars heb gemerkt. Maar dat zal de AI wel zijn die mij al eens is verteld die dit soort reacties op blok zet.

Kritiek en imago... het maakt mijn dag....

Daarnaast heb jij mijn onderstaande geblokkeerde post gelezen. Waar jij aan refereert. Die heeft niemand kunnen lezen. Maar daar heb jij en de like persoon (Patrick)  wel kennis van genomen. En waar heb ik Apple hierin genoemd? Daar heb jij oude post van mijn hand voor moeten opzoeken.

Daar schort het wel een beetje aan merk ik. En vind dit kleinzielig.

Zeer benieuwd naar OneUI7 was ik. Het gestuntel van Samsung een totale tegenvaller. En sinds vorige week eindelijk op mijn S24Ultra. Ben ik blij? Had ik meer verwacht? Ja. En eigenlijk ook niet. Waar de release van OneUI7 mij wel in sterkt? Alles los leveren.

- Android X (16 en opvolgers) uitbrengen met officiële Google release

- Google app updates

- Samsung app updates

- OneUIX is een launcher/skin

Jullie ideeën?

Translation: So I have to praise Samsung to the skies? Nothing negative? On penalty? The funny thing is that my English contribution, just like my Dutch one, first received a SPAM message. After a message, my English contribution was simply allowed through. But tell me.... what did Samsung do well in your eyes? 8 months after the release of Android 15? The promise of 7 years of maintenance and support for the software. A lot went wrong there. My preference for Apple? Yes. They know how to release a release. Simultaneously worldwide and an open beta.

But shouldn't you stick to TV and Soundbars? You will certainly block my answer as I noticed with the Dutch contingent of Member Stars. But that will be the AI ​​that I have already been told blocks these kinds of reactions.

Criticism and image... it makes my day....

In addition, you have read my blocked post below. Which you are referring to. No one has been able to read that. But you and the like person (Patrick) have taken note of that. And where did I mention Apple in this? You had to look up an old post of mine for that.

I notice that it's a bit lacking. And I find this petty.

I was very curious about OneUI7. Samsung's bungling was a total disappointment. And since last week finally on my S24Ultra. Am I happy? Did I expect more? Yes. And actually not. What the release of OneUI7 does strengthen me in? Delivering everything separately.

- Release Android X (16 and successors) with official Google release

- Google app updates

- Samsung app updates

- OneUIX is a launcher/skin

Your ideas?

[iGadgetman]

A word..... 'gestuntel'.... 'clumsy' is the word a Dutch Member Star finds offensive.. A word..... A description of how Samsung is handling the situation with the release of OneUI7. A word probably now is a word on the SPAM list. 

I have been an Apple fanboy since the iPhone 3GS. Just before I considered the OnePlus1. A great offer came that time is the shape of that 3GS. Lots of discounts. Had a lot of iPhones since then. Until last year. I decided on a S24Ultra. While I was very happy with this phone, I overcame some of the iOS-Android hurdles. But then security updates were slipping. OneUI was postponed again and again. I may have been spoiled with iOS. If Samsung can't keep up with their promise of 7 years... do I select Samsung again when my phone subscription needs a renewal? A phone is just a thing. A tool.

Brand loyalty to a certain point. How does a company treat you. Member stars seem blinded. Feel attacked if someone writes about disappointment. About another brand. 

[Joeeye · Accepted solution]

This explains your viewpoint. Since you are relatively new to the Android space, you probably aren't aware of how frequent or often security updates in Android have typically been handled. You also aren't aware why Android updates will never be released at the same timeframe as Google's own.

OneUI is not a mere "skin" as you simplify it to be. There are fundamental system components within Android that just do not exist in competing brands. Samsung's use of Knox for example for data security. The suggestion Samsung just release a base android alongside Google is simply unlikely and an impossible expectation. One of the main reasons Samsung has had such leadership is simply, they inspire and lead by design. Simply following an Apple or Google lead is not how Samsung have become the world's best Android phone maker and that will never change. OneUI often functionally inspires many features, most of which Google and Apple have implemented in their own UIs long after Samsung introduced them.

Personally, if Samsung took this approach of simply "cloning" Google's base Android for it's UI, it's unlikely I, as well as most who enjoy Samsung products, would not be buying them. Why would we just buy a cheap imitation (at a greater cost) of a Pixel if that be the case?

[iGadgetman]

As an experienced systems integrator I see things lacking. Google Security patches are late. Some even critical. August and the last one was December getting the patch only in March.

Samsung and several other brands running the same processor use the same stock Android. Okay there are some camera differences, how the Knox security is working. If after 16 Android versions you are not able to quickly integrate your own layers.. There is something wrong. But the mere beta release/testing, like even now with Android 16.

A big brand as Samsung has all the resources to do things right and in timely fashion I would think.

I count the times Apple releasing an idea of a feature, but find it not to their liking and postpone. Samsung then introducing it first while testers and customers complain the heck out of. When Apple releasing that feature it just works. Even the removal of a headphone jack or power brick. Making fun out of it.

I am not blinded by 1 brand. I see both ecospheres. Both with their own quirks. My reason to purchase was a Dex demo. That I can use and use a lot.

I am not talking about cheap imitations, but their flagships are almost in the same price range. OnePlus, Xiaomi (my son had the Android One for several years I bought as a spare once) can compete. 

My S24U is a tool. Not a life statement.

Still stock Android (chipset may vary) can be put onto a phone easy

Layers like Knox on top

OneUI with slimmed down (like Nowbar) is still a launcher/skin

Goodlock apps

Google Apps

Google Playstore 

Samsung Store

[Joeeye]

There's also ensuring all of Samsung's connected services function correctly to each new android build. As you know, Samsung's own accounts are deeply tied into their Android experience. Ensuring all this functions as expected would still present a lot of extra work. There's field testing, different functions and system routines which aren't stock android. Expecting Samsung to ignore all this and releasing a clone Google Android experience first is not feasible.

Android 16 marks the new rollout. Google has decided to release major Android revisions on a 6 monthly basis. More market fragmentation and artificial software obsolescence. Google have also decided to keep beta testing purely in house, without 3rd party manufacturer development for future android builds, so there's even further delays.

You realise there are many functions and features in Android that are taken for granted, most of which were pioneered by Samsung. Things like AoD, side panels, multi window, Quick share, secure folder are all Samsung features which have become standard in Android today. If you wish to stagnate the Android experience and expect companies like Samsung to use their wealth of resources to ape a Google stock experience, then you may as well just buy a Pixel and be done with it. Why waste time on a 3rd party manufacturer like Samsung if they're just giving you a rebranded Pixel phone experience.

[iGadgetman]

Which connected services of Samsung you talk about? Their Samsung Cloud? Store? Members?

If you keep testing in-house or to a few selected regions you can't keep up with Google's 6 month revisions. People install beta versions on their phones and agree stuff can go wrong. 

Samsung's plan is and was to release a new flagship phone with all they can offer with the new Android. 1 year old models have to wait. With Google's plan this will jeopardize this.

Trade-ins of a S24U after not even 1 year was already less than I got from a 3 year old iPhoneProMax 13 I discovered. (Got 570 euro last year. Max amount of money for a 10 month old S24U was 535 euro)

Functions and features you mentioned are also on a 3 year old Android in one shape or form. (A4x and even a A15 my parents still use)

When I look at OneUI7 on my S24U I feel not much has changed, there is look and feel. Music player looks iOS, different charge bubble. Even a friend who is Samsung all the way was disappointed. Android Auto playing Spotify or Apple Music still not allows me to press on the name of artist/album to have my full experience.

The 7 year plan looks great on paper. If you mess up in the beginning of this people lose any trust in the company. Batterylife is still a thing in that 7 years. Parts? Feeling left out in features in 2 years? The overheating/green line we now already see in India of S23U series. Re-occurring thing.

Ofcourse I could go for another Android brand. Specs and promises made. Android is the underlying engine. OneUI is the Samsung Sauce on top. Like OxygenOS , HyperOS or even Nothings version. Apps are apps.

I could go for a Pixel anytime. Or take back the old AndroidOne from Xiaomi I still have in the closet with LineageOS (updated for 1 final time in December 2024) A phone forgotten by Xiaomi in 2019. 

People seem blinded by 1 brand, yes I was also a bit. A phone is a tool. Not a holy device.

[Joeeye]

Then you really don't understand why Samsung phones have become the mainstay of Android.

OneUI is very consistent from even it's first iteration to present day OneUI 7. I did a screenshot comparison of the two highlighting this consistency. That's actually what draws people, familiarity not complete overhauls every update.

As for trade ins, you may be dissatisfied with your given amounts, but it does vary per region. For example you claim max offered on an S24 Ultra was €535, however this is not the case here in the UK. My S24 Ultra traded in to Samsung at £660 (€700+), highest trade in Samsung's offered yet.

The updates, and I'll forgive you for not knowing this as you are new to Android, but 7 years is simply unheard of before. No matter how you look at it, it's over double the length of updates Android has been given historically by any company. And as a long time Samsung user, I know for a fact Samsung has always offered the best software upgrade support of any company, always keeping to their upgrade promise, something you may not realise. Samsung has always been the leader in this regard, no matter whether you believe this faux perceived "delay" with OneUI 7. Many posts now exaggerate how "behind" Samsung have been citing this claim, but anyone who's actually been with Android knows, this is just not the case.

[OneUi8iscoming]

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@iGadgetman wrote:

A lot of my constructive, sometimes with a touch of disappointment posts get a marked as spam by Samsung. Member Stars tell me it is an automated system that does this. 

In my last post I asked what peoples impression was of OneUI7 on a S24. While highly anticipated I first was, I was also disappointed a bit. The postponement of the release, the features.....

It strengthens me in my believe that Samsung should separate the updates/upgrades

- Android release the moment Google releasing it

- OneUI as a launcher/skin can be released as when finished, yes they want a smooth experience but a launcher is a launcher. Nothing is perfect

- Google updates come in as they get released

- Samsung updates come in as they get released 

- Google apps are a daily thing in Play Store

- Samsung apps are a daily thing Samsung Store (lately)

- Third party apps get also regular updates in Play Store

Your view is appreciated.

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@iGadgetman ,

There is so much wrong with your messages that I do not know where to start. 

@Joeeye has a very good view on how things really are.

Its impossible for Samsung to release Android the moment google does because of OneUI. OneUI issent just a launcher or skin, its a very complex package full of different features and softwares.  Yes sometimes it takes a bit longer for Samsung to come with updates but in the end thats not a problem as long as it comes eventually.  I've read and translated your Dutch messages aswel, I can understand people removing your messages when you are disrespectful against the people in control here. 

@Dick , You are doing a great job mate please dont let little kids get you down!