If you really think that is the case, then send me my deleted message, and I can redact what needs to be and repost it here, and then people can decide for themselves.
If you don't, we know who had to bow out, and for what reason
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Since you obviously think there is some conspiracy against you deleting your posts I'll respond to the points on your original post since I got the email notification. I won't repost your comment about talking out of my butt because I'm not 12 and pathetic. Starting to think you can't make that claim.
We will see, because you had no substance, and all distractions in your reply. To me that is grade-A BS. Furthermore, every single one of my points is either backed by a source a fact in substance itself, so you can absolutely say whatever you want, but you cant deny them, as you haven't been able to either.
O yes the Rakuten and Google play, who literally are the most used streaming platforms! Did you read "All Major streaming providers", or did your fanboyism just ignore it?
I mean you are literally apparently an OLED owner who spends a lot of time posting on the Samsung forums trying to convince people not to buy QLED. You can appreciate the irony in you calling someone else a fanboy right?
Is it illegal in your country to have 2 TVs? I have both, so get over it.
The ones I listed effectively count for all the major streaming services here in the UK but if you want to keep to "majors" by your definition then it's Netflix (DV exclusive) followed by Amazon (HDR10+ exclusive) then you can count Disney+ in third place if you want (DV exclusive). Like I said DV is more popular but it's still a split between the major players.
No Matter which way you slice it, Google play and Rakuten are not major. Take European streaming share or North American or global. Even if they are, their combined distinct title count is 84 for HDR10+. Doesn't sound very major to me. And where did I say that Amazon Prime was not major?
What do you mean DV is split between them? I think you mean DV is used by all of them. Just because everyone uses DV doesn't mean that it gets split between them, it means they all add to it. It means that more people generate and provide content for it. This is truly grasping at the straws. I just can't believe the type of thought process I am dealing with here.
The point was about supporting DV, not about supporting DV just for games. All of the devices mentioned above support DV, so video and games played from these devices can take advantage of dynamic metadata via DV only. And as for content, refer to the point above.
Uhmm no videos and games CAN'T take advantage of dynamic metadata that's the point. PS4 doesn't support DV at all like I said. Xbox only supports it for Netflix, not games, UHD discs or any other video content. You will only get HDR10 on current gen consoles with the one exception of the Netflix app on Xbox which you could watch on your TV anyway. You can get Dolby Vision on PC sure but to what end? There are almost no DV supported games and is there any other content available apart from the above apps that presumably you get on TV anyway?
Quiet conveniently missing the point again, it is about supporting DV. Where is the support for HDR10+? Furthermore, EA titles already support DV. I have personally played games with DV enabled. Ofcourse you wouldn't know because you don't have DV.
I am speaking about movie production, people who add metadata to the BluRays that get purchased. Those studios are only supporting DV now. So it absolutely has everything to do with how we consume content. One more thing, Proprietary is how it is spelled.
Oh no I missed an "a" out of proprietary while typing on my phone that you felt the need to point out. Well guess my entire position is now void and I must bow to your superior logic. You must be a riot at parties by the way.
By far the biggest HDR format for Blu-Rays is HDR10 and it will likely remain the case that static, not dynamic metadata will continue to be the majority in the disc world. It's not actually true FYI that studios are only supporting DV (those pesky facts keep undermining you don't they). Universal and Warners support HDR10+ and DV while Disney (and by extension now Fox) who are far and away the biggest player, ONLY support HDR10. If we examine the top 5 disc releases of 2019 then three were HDR10, only one had DV and one had HDR10+.
Missing the Point again, the point is about Dynamic Metadata. Ofcourse every HDR title supports static metadata. The point is about Dynamic metadata format, do you understand that? Or are you still missing it? DV and HDR10+ are dynamic metadata formats. And the point is about which dynamic metadata format is supported. If you wish to the see the title count, use my previous post. If you wish to see the title list, for gods sake, google it.
I think we have established at this point, that you most certainly may have issues focussing in life.
I can see that you are distracted again, and I will humour you. When you can produce absolute black, you are able to reproduce a lot more of the darker shades, than an LED can. As for Colour volume, go check RTINGS and check the HDR spectrum coverage. Don't try to change the point. However, the point was about aligning the scene to creators intent, rather than taking a median metadata for the whole movie, which is what static metadata does.
Wow we're so lucky to have you here to explain at us what the creators intent is for various content. I feel so humbled now I know that the "creators" want us to watch it in Dolby Vision. I have to ask did the "creators" whisper this in your ear? Write it on a post it note and stick it to your fridge? Ah it doesn't matter I can get rid of my QLED and just grab a cheap Toshiba LCD with DV built in and know I'll get an experience closer to what the creator intended. Wait I have questions though! What if we're talking about HDR10+ content? Are you saying it's fine to watch that on your OLED if it's not what the creator intended? Or lets take Avengers Endgame which was the biggest selling disc last year and a 4000nit HDR10 encode. Are you saying because it's not DV then it doesn't represent the creators intent?? Maybe we shouldn't watch it at all on any display that can't achieve that 4000nits! I'd better return my copy!
Distracted again are we? Creators like to adapt each scene with metadata that is apt for the scene itself. Mastering for luminance and mastering the metadata for colour reproduction are correlated but still two different things, and furthermore being able to do it for each scene and not for the entire movie. I have compared my Samsung and OLED in the same room on the same content, and the difference between HDR10 /w Dynamic tone mapping vs DV on DV content is huge.
And even if we remove HDR all together, and go back to 2010, do you think that all TVs were equally matched on SDR content? No they weren't, so you can keep on watching whatever you are watching, but we all know that you are missing out. You are missing out on depth of the scene, you are missing out of darker colours and shades, you are missing out of contrast. So be happy with that if you need to be.
To answer your other slightly confused point yes OLED can achieve perfect black and get darker than LCD's, which is their trick to delivering HDR when they can't achieve the peak brightness. Not sure what you mean by "HDR Spectrum Coverage" (Pro tip - putting random words together to sound smart doesn't always work). In both peak brightness and colour volume QLED scores higher than OLED on RTINGS which is what I said? On the other hand if you're citing RTINGS as a bible for TV ratings then that's great. Look at their scoring breakdown for HDR Movies and HDR Gaming. Dolby Vision makes up <1% of the final HDR rating, literally one of the least important aspects of HDR performance. Thank you for making my point for me.
Wait, so a feature of the technology, is a trick? O good, we would have never known the conspiracy on this one. Representing true deep colours is a trick everyone!! Please all watch washed out grey colours because that is what Samsung gods want us to.
Get over yourself.
Well I could not find a single term to explain BT.2020 colour space with DCIP3 gamut coverage, so I ended up using "HDR Spectrum". I ask you for forgiveness, o mighty " proprietry god of the gray black colours ".
What will this colour volume do, when it cant produce creators intent, again refer to RTINGS testing, as QLED is no where at the top for HDR Gamut, even though it has 1500nits. This is quite embarrassing when 700-800nit OLEDs are better. It is about quality, let me know when you learn the difference.
"HDR Gamut" is not an actual term. Again see my above note on trying to put words together to sound smart. Also I've been in the TV industry for 20 years working with the retailers and manufacturers and have probably compared every major model released in that time so surprisingly I don't need you to explain anything about picture quality to me.
Please be so kind o mighty " proprietry god of the gray black colours " to look at the previous statement of mine. I know there is mercy in your presence.
You keep going back to RTINGS and I guess that means that you agree with their ratings and the almost negligible weighting they give to Dolby Vision? Surely that ends the debate around it's importance right there.
It just means that they understand colour science better than our " proprietry god of the gray black colours ", so I would rather refer a credible source than your ramblings.
O yes, how your ramblings have ended the debate. For debating you need to grow some intellect first, just opinions don't count.
If your referring to overall HDR scoring then RTINGS put the heaviest weighting on contrast when working out their final score as opposed to other factors such as HDR Peak Brightness, Colour Volume etc. It's entirely their decision to take that approach, not an industry baseline and many, including myself, would and indeed do, dispute what is most important. To me this exposes one of the key weaknesses in trying to arbitrarily assign a score out of 10 to every aspect of a TV's performance as much as I respect RTINGS and consider them a good resource, albeit one among many.
Let's say take the RTINGS HDR movie scores for my Q9FN (8.6) vs a C9 (8.8). Both very close scores, both have great HDR according to RTINGS (though I'm sure you would try and use the 0.2 difference to declare OLED champion of the universe or something). The QLED trounced the OLED in peak brightness and Colour Volume exactly like I said. The final score reflects the fact that the biggest slice of that score, 23% is contrast where an OLED is always going to score higher due to pixel level dimming. Not everyone agrees with this approach and their weightings on what is most important but that's why RTINGS rate every individual aspect separately so people can make up their minds The bottom line is RTINGS rate both TV's really highly and would tell you themselves that trying to declare a 0.2 difference in scoring as some sort of declaration of absolute superiority of one TV over another is stupid. Also RTINGS are not the only game in town, there just one opinion.
Ofcourse they are going to use all factors because all of those factors together provide you the image that you see on the screen. So, you would rather leave the important criteria like contrast and DCIP3 coverage out, because Samsung can't win at it? This is where the discussion ends, because this is what a fanboy does. Leaves out, or tries to get people to leave out the information that doesn't work in their favour.
As for superiority, you are the one who brought it up. Didn't you? How QLED can do 1500 nits? All I said that even with 1500 nits it still cant match an OLED at 700 nits. That is all I said. And look at how good that got you. That <1% really got you to write an essay. Made your point for you, pfft.
Grow a pair and face the reality.
I knew that you would bring this point again, even though people crushed you on this point last year. So, I am not going to respond again, when you can refer to posts from last year.
Uhm I think you and I are remembering that previous interaction very differently. Please do point out to me where I was "crushed". Alternatively feel free to refute what I said.
Refer to posts from last year, which weren't just from me, but from every other user on this thread. You being the only person defending Samsung. Do you see a pattern here, or not yet?
In all, stop defending a corporation that refuses spend 3 dollars on your TV while taking 2000 dollars from you.
I'm not defending a corporation. Hell I think Samsung probably should introduce DV at this point. It could help HDR performance on their lower to mid range models same as it does elsewhere while ending ridiculous threads like this. I also don't think that it is ultimately that important and that it makes little difference in the grand scheme of things. I don't really care if people want to prefer OLED or believe Dolby Vision is the second coming or something that's their business but when I see people trying to influence other peoples purchasing decisions by misinterpreting facts, twisting the truth and being genuinely disingenuous like you do then I'll step in. It has nothing to do with defending a corporation. Flipping it round I could also accuse you of shilling for Dolby and promoting a closed eco system over an open source one.
You absolutely are defending Samsung, look at this entire thread. you are justifying them not supporting the most widely used dynamic metadata format, when their self-serving interest is placed pushing their HDR10+ which is only supported by 1 major provider, Amazon Prime. And that is it.
I specifically discussed what this thread is about, which is DV vs HDR10+, just because you are unable to focus on the topic, you are the one who brought QLED vs OLED into discussion.
O yes, asking a company to allow my product (which I paid for) to work with a widely accepted format is shilling, yep. You certainly have the thought process of a conspiracy theorist. Look at this entire thread, and then tell me why you are here discussing OLED vs QLED, justifying Samsung not supporting what even freaking TCL supports on their 500 dollar TVs. Cmon... And then you have the nerve to call others as shills. Get real...
I mean why are you even here? You literally don't have skin in the game. You apparently have an OLED with DV that you're very happy with so why aren't you watching it instead of spending all this time on a Samsung forum trying to convince people that they need to include DV on their TV's or buy an OLED? I don't spend time on LG forums trying to explain why people shouldn't buy their TV's. This all seems like the definition of trolling.
Again, it is legal in most of the free world to but more than 1 TV in a household. Your concept of reality is so far involved in justifying your choices, that you cant see the other side. I admit that I made a mistake by purchasing Samsung, and I am here just to make sure that people in the same boat don't make the same mistake. But I don't think that you have the capacity to understand something like that.
Are you done now?
Back to the topic, Dolby Vision is the only widely supported dynamic HDR metadata. You either buy a TV that supports it, or get stuck with static metadata.
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Good job Samsung. Removed my post which debunked his claims line by line. Not going to write it again but here are some more facts.
The fact that OLED at 700-800nits has higher HDR Gamut coverage than 1500 Nits QLED (ref: RTINGS).
The fact that Google play has next to no HDR10+ content.
The fact that XBOX, Playstation, Apple TV & iphone, Nvidia and AMD have an official documentation on enabling DV, and none for HDR10+.
The fact that only 1 Major streaming provider supports HDR 10+, and that too with limited content.
The fact that HDR10+ only has 30 movies till now, and not even a single upcoming title. Compare this to 100+ for DV with 4 that released this august.
The fact that Netflix has 220 distinct titles and Disney+ has 198 distinct titles on DV, (add more for Apple TV+ and others), and then contrast it with HDR10+ titles on all content providers combined at 84.
Counter these facts if you can. Removing posts wont change reality.
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Well I hope they fix it, but no matter how much they fix, it will never be as good as an OLED gaming mode. We know that. Plus I don't use Sony TVs myself, a bit too expensive for my taste.
As for DV, your opinion has its place, but here are the facts:
1. All Major streaming providers (NetFlix, Disney+, etc.) support Dolby Vision as the only dynamic metadata format.
2. All consoles and PC graphics cards only support Dolby Vision as the only dynamic metadata format.
3. All movie houses (after Disney acquired Fox) support Dolby Vision as the only dynamic metadata format.
The only content provider that supports HDR10+ is Amazon prime.
So if I wish to use Dynamic metadata, which I absolutely would, (as HDR should be changed for each scene based on creators intent, and not just fixed for the entire movie), then Dolby Vision or DV is the only option.
My question is simple, why would I buy a flagship TV in 2020, and be stuck with static HDR from 2015? Makes no sense. Because if you pick a TV that doesn't have Dolby Vision, that is exactly going to be the case, unless you only watch amazon prime.
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If you do, you might find yourself in the same bucket as my friend last year. He picked up a 75" Q90R, a week or so later he came over for some drinks. Long story short, ended up watching Disney+ and Netflix in DV on my OLED. Next thing you know he ended up replacing his Samsung for a Sony with DV. It is that big of a difference. Especially for gaming, because Samsung completely turns off FALD for game mode. Check out HDTV test video on it, google "HDTVTest How Game Mode Affects Picture Quality".
Frankly my Samsung is now a cartoon show machine for my kids, that's it.
I hope this helps.
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Man, you seem quite learned. You should provide some details around how that would work.
Dolby along with investing into developing the metadata standard should invest time reverse engineering Samsung TVs, when Samsung is actively refusing to do introduce it themselves.
You must be some kind of a mastermind. Please keep on posting and making the world a better place, one post at a time.
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I am very disappointed with the image on netflix in 4k I am in rj45 with optical fiber. 15.25mbits / 2060 by pressing the info button on my remote control
the image is dull and bland in 4k hdr The image is more beautiful without hdr and in 1080p I returned to the basic package on netflix without hdr and 4k
I have a 4k tv hdr10 + samsung 55ru7300 and I have to see the streams in 1080p without hdr on netflix.
Whose fault is it? samsung or netflix?
My man, I bought LG C9 and with Dolby Vision the picture is just amazing. My buddy returned his q90r and picked up Sony after watching Netflix on my TV.
I am telling you, not using industry standard is really killing the picture quality on Samsung TVs. I bet that if q90r had Dolby vision, Sony TVs would be left behind.
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@MHR1 wrote: Somebody should write a letter to all the executive at Samsung and get them to read this thread. Also it would be good to publish an article visible to Samsung stockholders, so they could get a sense of how much market share is being lost due to an outdated strategy that makes no sense. Samsung needs to learn from the history of Beta vs VHS, or HD-DVD vs BluRay.
But for that happen their ego needs to take a rest, and not think of themselves as trend creators, and actually listen to the people.
They are flashing how Panasonic will support HDR10+, that means nothing when there is next to no content for it.
Show off when you get Disney+ and Netflix to support HDR10+, show off when content creators support you, or when consoles and PCs support it.
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today i purchased but 1 hour after reading no DV I canceled the order I placed with Amazon.
65" Samsung QN65Q70RAFXZA Q70 QLED 4K order CANCELED. wow Samsung really bad move on DV. Great TV but it is only paperweight with no DV.
Good thing is that our freinds and families use us as tech guides. I have mentioned the same to people I know, two of them returned Q90R, and one Q80R 75" order cancelled. They ended up purchasing Sony or LG. And they were absolutely astounded at how big of an impact it made for the Netflix and Disney+ content for them in comparison to their samsung that was returned.
Till Samsung provides DV, I am going to continue warning the ones I know.
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@Joseph_Elery wrote: This is so confusing. Here's my setup: LG Oled C9 Samsung HW-Q90r AppleTV 4K Belkin UHD HDMI TV and bar confirms Dolby Atmos and Vision are playing. The sound is amazing and picture is stunning with no disconnect on firmware 1007.9. So what am I missing on this forum? It is not about just playing Atmos, because I am doing that right now. It is about lossless uncompressed Atmos, and Atmos from realtime sources like console and PC during gaming without LipSync issues.
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@skipperab wrote: Well I returned it yesterday for a full refund. The sales manager said that he was told by his Samsung rep that the 2020 model would have functional 2.1 HDMI and eArc. So I’m going to wait until it comes out and give it a try. I loved the sound of the soundbar. Not sure if you can get any better. Whether this will fix the lip sync issue or not might also depend on whether LG sends out a software release to have the eArc and 2.1 become functional on the C9 I purchased. That is what they said for 2019 bars as well. Dont buy it till eARC and HDMI 2.1 are fully supported. People like Stephen Withers said in their review that it is already supported and operational on 2019 bars. Funny enough, even when he was informed that eARC doesnt work, he did not chnage his review, till very recently in 2020. I have stopped reading his reviews, and advised my friends and family of the same.
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You should just return it my man. I would suggest to buy Sony (which has eARC), or wait for something new. @skipperab wrote: I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing but I'm taking my Q80 back to the store for a refund on Monday. I have a LG C9 and can't get the audio sync to work for my satellite feed. From what I have read if my LG has eArc (and it does) and I get a soundbar that also has eArc then my sync issues should be fixed. I love the sound of the Q80 but the sync issue is driving me bananas. I'm hoping the 2020 Q80 will have eArc. Can anyone help me out? @AntS @ Soul
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@AntS wrote: @Soul_ wrote: Hey AntS, Do you know if eARC for soundbars is coming? A german mod mentioned that eARC for TVs is coming on a TV thread. So, wanted to see if yu can check in and see if the same is happening for Soundabrs. Hi Soul_, We can't speak for other countries, but we've asked our UK & Ireland TV tech colleagues if they're able to clarify the situation at least for UK & Ireland users. Once we get an update on that, we'll share. Thank you @AntS Not to add to your work, but if you could check with the Soundbar guys as well (for eARC availability on Q80 and Q90 Soundbars), it would be terrific.
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@Frans83 wrote: I would like to shake your hand if I could haha. We are truly in the same boat. Also no apology needed. I think we all feel your frustrati model I am really lost. First: I don't want a soundbar with surround, without Atmos. I also don't believe in Atmos without upwards speakers, so that narrows it down. The best bet would be LG's line-up, but LG's best one (SL10YG for 800 euro) is still considered mediocre with it sounds, in comparison to Samsung, Sony, Yamaha, Senn, Sonos, Heos and Vizio. The SL10 is however, wel above 1000 euro's, so the next one with eARC, the LG SN11RG would be even pricier and why pay that much for mediocre sound? Only for eARC and Lip Sync? There will also be a cheaper one. The SN9YG and this one has almost everything I need and is cheaper. But the 2019 SL9YG is on sale here and costs me about 600 euro. Without the non-upward rear speakers for 120 euro. And we all know a newer model will cost more. So to sum it up: The best would be the Sony HT-ST5000 (because of excellent sound and eARC), but it's from 2018 and doesn't support rear speakers, but will cost me about 900 euro's. That's about 1000 dollar and that's insane for a 2 year old model without rear speakers. Then there are the LG's now, which aren't cheap and provide a lot of whistles and bells, but mediocre sound. So no. The LG's 2020 line-up. The SN11RG which I think will cost around 1000 euro or the SN9YG for maybe 200 euro less, but both without rear speakers and I also believe, still mediocre sound. Oh and the 120 euro optional speakers, don't have en upward position. So that's also a shame. Then there is Samsung's line up, which to my opnion is also not what I want, due to it's price and non-compatibilty with rear speakers and the one that has it, is over a 1000 euro's without eARC. And then there is Vizio's soundbar for 512 euro (570 dollar) It is praised for it's sound and has 4K passthrough, Atmos, DTS Virtual X and a total of 5 surround channels and 4 upward channels. So 2 surround back and 2 upward back. Only thing is, I live in the netherlands and the thing isn't sold here. So I am afraid for compatibilty. Anyway.....I am really lost. Do I need one of the options above. Or do I need to rethink it and get an cheaper Atmos soundbar without rear speakers? Or without front upward speakers? Or......Do I need to buy a real cheap soundbar with virtual surround and wait till the soundbar we all want comes along? I personally would say wait till spring, or buy sony if you really need one now. Who cares if it is 2 year old, when it has all the features you need. Be sure to confirm in writing, the eARC features on whichever soundbar you buy.
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@Frans83 wrote: @Soul_Wrote: Sony added earc in summer 2019 via firmware update to their capable sound bars. Really? Can't find such info on the dutch sony site. Can it be, we get it later or is it just bad communication and we also have this update? https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/downloads/00015967 Release Date 04-02-2019 Applicable Models This information is for the following models: HT-X9000F IMPORTANT: This file is only for use with the models identified. Not all models are sold in all countries. About this download Benefits and improvements from the latest update Improves HDMI® connectivity Previous Benefits and Improvements Fixes an issue where a sound is heard when exiting some PlayStation®4 games Adds support for the eARC feature. Notes: eARC is a new HDMI 2.1 standardized function which adds support for the latest audio formats, in addition to audio formats supported by the existing Audio Return Channel (ARC) function. The eARC feature allows you to enjoy lossless object-based audio content such as Dolby Atmos® with Dolby TrueHD® and DTSX®, or multi-channel LPCM content that cannot be transmitted with the ARC function. Improves connectivity with other manufacturer’s TVs
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@Frans83 wrote: @ Soul_ wrote: eARC requires a two way handshake. No way! I was looking in to soundbars with Atmos, because my AVR is broke. I did have a big surround setup, with very big speakers in a small living room (the Netherlands) and 2 small children. So it would be practical for me to ditch the surround set and get a soundbar. But soundwise I don't like to compromise that much. So I went on the internet and looked for something like a soundbar with Atmos. But with all the facts, there was still not a good clear view of what I am getting, so I went to the local electronics store and e-ARC also came up and being future-proof focused as I am, I mentioned that in the next 12 months or so I will also be buying another TV. They assured me that if the TV has Atmos and eARC, I will have the absolute best/full/riches Atmos expierence possible, without compromise. Because of this reassurance I've been looking and reading my *ss of to find the best soundbar possible for me. (because they are out of my budget, I really have to justify myself to buy such a pricey soundbar and not just get another AVR) But if what the 'experts' told me isn't true, only the Sony HT-ST500 will do, but, this one isn't expandable with 2 surround back speakers. So....the system I am looking for, doesn't exists yet. Does this mean I have to make compromises or just wait till the system does exist, eventhough my AVR is broke at this moment? Also....how do you quote someone like you did me? I have have two young kids and this is exactly why I got a Soundbar for my family room. We are both in the same boat. I am just like you and did a ton of research, because money doesnt grow on trees. And Q80 has been my regret so far, due to the lack of eARC, even though all the freaking reviewers priomised eARC in summer, and some like Withers even said that eARC is already supported. It is an absolute ***** show. The only eARC capable SBs right now are the 2020 LG ones and 2018 Sony. If Sony can update their 2018 SB to support eARC, why the **** cant Samsung update their 2019 SB with eARC. I apologise, I am quite pissed. As for quoting, when you click reply on somepone's post, on the next page there is a quote button above the text box.
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Hey AntS, Do you know if eARC for soundbars is coming? A german mod mentioned that eARC for TVs is coming on a TV thread. So, wanted to see if yu can check in and see if the same is happening for Soundabrs.
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@Frans83 wrote: @Soul_ You said: 'During compression additional latency between audio and video gets added, this causes massive lip sync issues on consoles and pc which produce real time gaming footage in low latency. eARC exists to negate the need for compression.' This is totally true, but the OP has an LG C9 which has an earc. He also watches Netflix from the TV app, so no video is passing through, only the audio is send to the Atmos compatible Soundbar. Send through eARC, so no compression or lossy signal. In this case, would there still be a lip sync problem? eARC requires a two way handshake. If recieveing party is not eARC compatible, it falls back to ARC. So, in this case even if C9 tries to communicate via eARC, but since the soundbar only accepts ARC, it will fallback to ARC (so compressed, lossy, and possibly with lip sync issues).
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@Frans83 wrote: @Soul_ wrote: My recommendation, go with 9 or 10 series LG soundbar by Meridian, or buy a Sony. They are both just as good. EDIT: and to what I know, they have had eARC since summer 2019. No they don't. Sony added earc in summer 2019 via firmware update to their capable sound bars.
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@Frans83 wrote: @slim_shady wrote: sorry, I'm really confused now. was just about to purchase the LG C9 and an hw-q80r ...does the soundbar support e-arc or not? I want to play atmos enabled movies through the TV Plex app and have the atmos sent back through the hdmi arc port.... If you have an LG C9, the soundbar doesn't need to have eARC, which it hasn't. LG comes with a 2020 line, which does have it and because of this, they probably won't give the older models the earc through a firmware update. If that is the case (and that's 90% sure), Samsung will follow this pattern. Anyway....You have an C9 which does have eARC and that is all you need. Atmos signal can be passed throught, through a normal ARC, only not lossless and compressed and wrapped in the DD+ signal. eARC sends it lossless through to you soundbar/avr. So the only thing you will really need is a soundbar which is Atmos comptible and you will have the best signal Atmos can deliver. During compression additional latency between audio and video gets added, this causes massive lip sync issues on consoles and pc which produce real time gaming footage in low latency. eARC exists to negate the need for compression.
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@Frans83 wrote: @Soul_ wrote: @DonnyAtmos wrote: Where is Update? its 2020's:) It is where we cant find it. Jokes aside, I was speaking to a lawyer buddy of mine, and he said that this could be a good class action case against all the reviewers who said eARC will be available, or is supported on these soundbars. And based on their testimonies, charges could be brought up against Samsung on it. The only catch, there has to be atleast 40 of us alleging to bring the charges up against the reviewers. Legal fee alone would hurt these reviewers enough for them to never lie again. But are the reviewers lying? Or are they missinformed by samsung? Can only be found based on their testimonies. But unless they testify and tell their side of the story, we can't say if Samsung has misinformed them. And if that is the case, Samsung gets the charges brought up against it.
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@DonnyAtmos wrote: Where is Update? its 2020's:) It is where we cant find it. Jokes aside, I was speaking to a lawyer buddy of mine, and he said that this could be a good class action case against all the reviewers who said eARC will be available, or is supported on these soundbars. And based on their testimonies, charges could be brought up against Samsung on it. The only catch, there has to be atleast 40 of us alleging to bring the charges up against the reviewers. Legal fee alone would hurt these reviewers enough for them to never lie again.
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None of the samsung sound bars support eARC as of yet. The reviewers have officially lied to consumers on every single website. I have a Q80R sound bar, and I can confirm, I do not have eARC till now. Been waiting for over 6 months.
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@DAtky wrote: LG has a new soundbar coming! it has eARC. if nothing else it may spur Samsung into a update fearing loss of sales over the competition?? I am not sure if that will help the current soundbars get eARC, which all reviewers said will get eARC in summer 2019. Samsung is a very nickel and diming company which doesn't really care about customers. They will just release new bars with eARC and not bother fulfilling current bars with eARC. Should have gone Sony, they updated all their older capable models with eARC.
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