@abc123xyz wrote: @SuissoNaBisso wrote: @dr12 wrote: Ok I'm gonna buy a shield for lossles atmos, now i'm interested if q90r is dolby vision passthrough ? Thanks Yes it is I have tried everything and I can not get a Dolby Vision signal to pass through this soundbar using both an xbox one x and and appletv 4K to an Panasonic TV. Well on my side everything works fine for once, I can get Dolby Vision from my Shield 2019 plugged into Q90R soundbar directly and then sending to LG C9 TV ... View more

@dr12 wrote: Ok I'm gonna buy a shield for lossles atmos, now i'm interested if q90r is dolby vision passthrough ? Thanks Yes it is ... View more

@dr12 wrote: Hi   is samsung hw-q90r okay soundbar for lg c9? does the atmos work? From aps(netflix, primevideo plex)? Xbox, through the arc connection? Thanks For the Xbox unfortunately if you want Atmos to work well you will have to connect directly to the soundbar. Through ARC you will experience lip sync issues that can be corrected. Except that everything work well with apps on the TV, you will get lossy Atmos as expected. ... View more

lol that would mean to be able to insert a custom firmware into the soundbar, a unsigned firmware, whic I guess Samsung would prevent to do. SO the risk to brick the soundbar is actually really high.   So no, I guess nobody except Samsung engineers can do it ! and nobody will take the risk to test   ... View more

@jobean wrote: Hmmm.... in the Samsung download center there is no new Qled update. What's your source? No actually he's right but only for Europe I think at least on UK website.   But UK website does not provide change log on updates while US website does. So let's see when it will be available for US what's new on this QLED update, if eARC is part of it then we might have a chance to see it for soundbars too ... View more

@SuissoNaBisso wrote: Hey all   So we've done new tests with  Ambursz57 on passing through ARC / eARC HD sounds to the soundbar.Here is the set up we tested :LG TV model C9 from 2019 with HDMI 2.1 and eARC Soundbar Samsung Q90R with supposed eARC  Nvidia Shield 2019 model Emby app with UHD movies containing Dolby True HD Atmos soundtrack   First test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV.   Second test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to soundbar, not ARC / eARC used. Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is equally awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV gave the same sound quality as when it was using ARC / eARC.   Third test : TV C9 with eARC disabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = there is then something between the Emby and output soundbar speakers that is transcoding the audio signal to lossy Atmos ?! or maybe the Samsung Soundbar is not even capable to read Dolby True HD Atmos signal and automatically downgrade it DD+ Atmos ?! or maybe eARC technology is so new for now that no standards are really used by any brand and is just a marketing feature for now ?!   Anyway guys, for me these tests are enough, I have what I need personnaly, a system that can read my UHD rips with ATmos firing up tracks from a Shield. That's all I need and I'm gonna stick with that. I won't waste my time anymore with Samsung etc...and you should maybe question yourself too...finally do you have all high end materials to really leverage eARC as of now ? have you tested it personnaly ?   For me it's now all good and just ordered my Nvidia Shield, and I'll plug it to the TV directly and send back audio via ARC / eARC tot he soundbar.   Cheers !     Just in case some moderators remove my latest tests reports, I've posted it here on Reddit.  this is confirmed, NO eARC features on 2019 models ! please help spread the word, no new consumers should be fooled by Samsung and their promises in the future ! ... View more

@SuissoNaBisso wrote: Hey all   So we've done new tests with  Ambursz57 on passing through ARC / eARC HD sounds to the soundbar.Here is the set up we tested :LG TV model C9 from 2019 with HDMI 2.1 and eARC Soundbar Samsung Q90R with supposed eARC  Nvidia Shield 2019 model Emby app with UHD movies containing Dolby True HD Atmos soundtrack   First test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV.   Second test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to soundbar, not ARC / eARC used. Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is equally awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV gave the same sound quality as when it was using ARC / eARC.   Third test : TV C9 with eARC disabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = there is then something between the Emby and output soundbar speakers that is transcoding the audio signal to lossy Atmos ?! or maybe the Samsung Soundbar is not even capable to read Dolby True HD Atmos signal and automatically downgrade it DD+ Atmos ?! or maybe eARC technology is so new for now that no standards are really used by any brand and is just a marketing feature for now ?!   Anyway guys, for me these tests are enough, I have what I need personnaly, a system that can read my UHD rips with ATmos firing up tracks from a Shield. That's all I need and I'm gonna stick with that. I won't waste my time anymore with Samsung etc...and you should maybe question yourself too...finally do you have all high end materials to really leverage eARC as of now ? have you tested it personnaly ?   For me it's now all good and just ordered my Nvidia Shield, and I'll plug it to the TV directly and send back audio via ARC / eARC tot he soundbar.   Cheers !     Ok guys, so following this test, I got myself an Nvidia Shield (by the way it's really awesome device !). And I've completed my tests with DTS-X format now.   First connecting via ARC (or supposed eARC), played a demo file created by DTS. And on this, no DTS-X logo showed up on the soundbar. Then I've connected the Shield directly to the soundbar and this time the logo appeared on the soundbar !   So no, the Samsung soundbars are clearly not eARC compatible. Then you can still get Atmos via ARC even from a source using a Dolby true HD Atmos format, because the system will automatically downgrade the signal to Dolby Digital Plus ATmos (DD+), but apparently there is no equivalent process for DTS-X, while maintaining firing up metadata.    And all consumers who got this information from Samsung customer service or from a sales rep can mention these tests to show them they are wrong, they lied to you.    Now this will be your choice to decide or not to continue the fight against Samsung...now that I clearly saw by myself these results I think we should continue and even for further. Using the #earcSamsungGate is first step, fine. But we should create a petition on change.org (if anyone has a better website to create one, feel free to share).  With a petition it will be easier to enroll Samsung customers, we should also not limit this petition to soundbars but also include the 2019 TV owners in this fight. If I'm not wrong I think they are also waiting for a promised eARC update. This petition will be adressed to Samsung, Samsung CEO's, Samsung engineers etc...   I can prepare the text for the petition and share it there for your feedbacks, but unfortunately i won't be able to create it myself. I'm personnaly working for a group linked somehow with Samsung Electronics, hence don't want to take this risk for my personal career. But definitely I can help on its creation and then spread it around. Also this petition will need to be published in every AV forums, on every Reddit topics mentioniong these soundbars / TV issues with eARC. But this won't be enough, we also need to enroll reviewers, tech websites, tech influencers etc...without them this petition will be lost in just few days. But for that you should first stop blaming at tech reviewers who mentioned this eARC update in their reviews ! this is not by attacking them that will join our fight ! and they also have been fooled by Smasung who informed them the products were eARC compatible. Maybe they did not test it to verify but don't forget they don't neceassrily have all the stuff to test it just like you.   So who's in ? ... View more

@jiready82 wrote: @SuissoNaBisso wrote: Hey all   So we've done new tests with  Ambursz57 on passing through ARC / eARC HD sounds to the soundbar.Here is the set up we tested :LG TV model C9 from 2019 with HDMI 2.1 and eARC Soundbar Samsung Q90R with supposed eARC  Nvidia Shield 2019 model Emby app with UHD movies containing Dolby True HD Atmos soundtrack   First test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV.   Second test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to soundbar, not ARC / eARC used. Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is equally awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV gave the same sound quality as when it was using ARC / eARC.   Third test : TV C9 with eARC disabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = there is then something between the Emby and output soundbar speakers that is transcoding the audio signal to lossy Atmos ?! or maybe the Samsung Soundbar is not even capable to read Dolby True HD Atmos signal and automatically downgrade it DD+ Atmos ?! or maybe eARC technology is so new for now that no standards are really used by any brand and is just a marketing feature for now ?!   Anyway guys, for me these tests are enough, I have what I need personnaly, a system that can read my UHD rips with ATmos firing up tracks from a Shield. That's all I need and I'm gonna stick with that. I won't waste my time anymore with Samsung etc...and you should maybe question yourself too...finally do you have all high end materials to really leverage eARC as of now ? have you tested it personnaly ?   For me it's now all good and just ordered my Nvidia Shield, and I'll plug it to the TV directly and send back audio via ARC / eARC tot he soundbar.   Cheers !     It sounds like you have reached the conclusion that your ears cannot tell the difference between lossy atmos and lossless atmos so you Will connect  your shield to your TV and use lossy atmos instead of connecting it to the sounbar for lossless atmos. After all that testing, you have chosen the worst of the two results. I don't get it.  Did not "test" myself it was not my ears listening to it. But I did this with 2 users and they both reported absolutely no difference in sound quality when it was plugged directly to soundbar or the TV....and honestly as I suggested I really doubt now that this soundbar is even capable of decoding lossless sounds...I mean in all possible configuration it was always the same results, and also I've never seen Samsung officialy mentioning compatibility with Dolby True HD format (go on their website now and search for this, you won't find). All they say is "Dolby Atmos" which we all know can mean Doldy Digital + only (and that Samsung says clearly on their website this is compatible). So my guess is that this soundbar is not able to decode lossless formats and it will automatically downgrade it to DD+ Atmos. So they just let us think that lossless formats can be decoded but maybe not, no official statement on this. And in that case what eARC would be needed for ? nothing. So they just had to say "yes it was done" or "yes it will come" while consumers will finally never find out as the true benefit of eARC would have no effect on this product.   Only thing to really find out the truth finally would be to have a companion app that clearly mention which sound format is decoded in real time by the soundbar. But once again Samsung played this smartly they just have their SmartThings app which is absolutely useless....on AV side, Denon for example has an app that can tell you this, but that's the difference between Denon and Samsung : Samsung does product for all consumers trying to get as much sales as they can so they deliver products that pretend to be experts ones while they're not and then you have Denon who's targeting the "experts" consumers and deliver them the products they deserve...that's it.   So yes I decided to stick with what I have and honestly that's way enough for me ! If one day I really feel the need for lossless audio with up firing speakers, I won't go for a soundbar nor Samsung and I'll for a proper AV kit + speakers of any expert brand ! ... View more

@zoric wrote: One question regarding Nvidia Shield...do you have any drop offs of audio on Kodi when passing Dolby Atmos rips...?they last one second and it happens randomly...I see it's quite a problem on the forums... Sorry mate I can't tell you, not using Kodi, using Emby to play movies from a remote server. But with Emby, Atmos tracks are played properly on the Shield, no drop offs at all ! ... View more

@Clapton94 wrote: First of all   thank you so much for taking time to provide this awesome feedback !!! If I may, I d like to ask you if this would work also with a SSD plugged diretly to the Lg C9 with rips ATMOS or is the shield absolutely needed ? I wonder why a shield would correclty passtrought a HD audio format and not the TV on ist own. Unfortunately no this would not work from the C9 directly. Simply because LG is authorising lossless Atmos passthrough only from an HDMI input, not from the internal apps. Hence if you have UHD rips with HD sounds on a harddrive, you need a Shield to totally leverage it. Even Apple TV 4k is not enough as it only give you lossy Atmos and not lossless version. Shield is quite unique for that at the moment.... ... View more

@jobean wrote: Thanks for the results! Did you also test DTS-X? Does the screen on the soundbar then display 'DTS-X'?   No sorry didn't have any movie rips with DTS-X track, but will try to get one and test it as soon as I will receive my own Shield ... View more

Hey all   So we've done new tests with  Ambursz57 on passing through ARC / eARC HD sounds to the soundbar.Here is the set up we tested :LG TV model C9 from 2019 with HDMI 2.1 and eARC Soundbar Samsung Q90R with supposed eARC  Nvidia Shield 2019 model Emby app with UHD movies containing Dolby True HD Atmos soundtrack   First test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV.   Second test : TV C9 with eARC enabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to soundbar, not ARC / eARC used. Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is equally awesome. Learning supposed = Samsung soundbar is well eARC enabled as receiving HD sound from the Shield via the TV gave the same sound quality as when it was using ARC / eARC.   Third test : TV C9 with eARC disabled Soundbar connected to TV and Shield connected to TV, sound sent back to soundbar via eARC Results = Soundbar display Atmos logo, Emby server well sending Dolby True HD Atmos format. Sound quality is awesome. Learning supposed = there is then something between the Emby and output soundbar speakers that is transcoding the audio signal to lossy Atmos ?! or maybe the Samsung Soundbar is not even capable to read Dolby True HD Atmos signal and automatically downgrade it DD+ Atmos ?! or maybe eARC technology is so new for now that no standards are really used by any brand and is just a marketing feature for now ?!   Anyway guys, for me these tests are enough, I have what I need personnaly, a system that can read my UHD rips with ATmos firing up tracks from a Shield. That's all I need and I'm gonna stick with that. I won't waste my time anymore with Samsung etc...and you should maybe question yourself too...finally do you have all high end materials to really leverage eARC as of now ? have you tested it personnaly ?   For me it's now all good and just ordered my Nvidia Shield, and I'll plug it to the TV directly and send back audio via ARC / eARC tot he soundbar.   Cheers !     ... View more

@Amburz57  I PMed you ... View more

Hey guys   I'm looking for someone who has an Nvidia Shield and one of the 2019 Samsung soundbar + a TV with eARC. Would like to run some tests with this person by sharing an access to my Emby or Plex server with 4k movies rips including HD audio.   If anyone has this kind of material and would be free to test this, please let me know in the thread or directly PM me !    Thanks ! ... View more

You should all go on twitter and post using the hashtag #earcSamsungGate https://twitter.com/hashtag/earcSamsungGate?src=hashtag_click Don' forget to tag all Samsung accounts and reviewer's ones too ! that's important they ear our voices § as they can't *****ing read their own community forum to get consumer feedback ! ... View more

just posted on Twitter too and also edited my post on Reddit who had many comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/Soundbars/comments/dz0ihk/samsung_hwq90r_earc_q80r_and_q70r_firmware_update/ Hope everyone will join the hastag ! ... View more

But you're missing the case of an Xbox One X used with an LG OLED 2019 TV. Both are compatible with VRR and ALLM so the Xbox needs to be connected to the TV and Xbox has an Atmos compatibility and even some games have Atmos audio. So in that specific case, eARC is best ! and end 2020 next gen console will arrive and increase this need ! ... View more

yes as I said I had to turn back my xbox to Dolby Digital setting and not Atmos because of the lip sync issue...hundreds of people are mentioning this, I even got in touch with Dolby team and they said they have no fix for this and nothing planned for the future... ... View more

but anyway with XBox set to Atmos and going over C9 ARC, you will certainly experience lip sync issues and this cannot be solved at the moment and eARC will not change this as well. I'm in same situation and finally decided to remain on Dolby Digital on Xbox and not Atmos ... View more

So you say you can have a Netflix content playing in Vision if it has no Atmos, or playing a content with Atmos if it has no Vision, but you can't play a content which has both ? Xbox One X well configured for both Atmos and Vision ? and connected directly to the TV ? and TV ARC connected to soundbar ? ... View more

Guys, ARC technology means Audio Return Channel, it has nothing to do with Dolby Vision which is a video standard for HDR. here your issue with Atmos and Vision has nothing to do with bandwidth, I have a an Xbox One X connected to C9 TV directly and both "work" except that I also have the lip sync issue with sound but nothing to do with ARC / eARC etc...on this an update of the C9 enabling mutlichannel PCM might solve this in the future. Your issue must be something else, check in the Xbox settings about Dolby vision format, make sure everyhting is up to date on the xbox (netflix app etc...) ... View more

Well if you using ARC / eARC connection, this means by default that you're not using the bandwidth for video signal, only for sound. So you can definitely use the 18 Gbps for lossless sound.  And when connecting a device directly to soundbar via HDMI 2.0b you're already sending 4K HDR video signal + lossless audio so bandwidth can do it ! eARC is just changing the limit to carry audio signal to receiver, but it doesn't require an higher bandwidth than what is already available with HDMI 2.0 ... View more

Well at least eARC can be on HDMI 2.o too : https://hdguru.com/firmware-updates-for-earc-begin-to-arrive/ ... View more

Well, that's really weird...Honestly when seeing these results, if we didn't have confirmation from the journalist + Samsung UK that eARC update wasn't released yet....well I would have thought this is already eARC enabled ! When connected to TV, the fact it is showing Atmos is good but still we can be suspicious on which Atmos format is used, is it True HD Atmos or just DD+ ATmos, that we don't know...   So I think the best would be to really monitor from a Plex server. I see that you are struggling with that, maybe I can grant you an access to my own Plex server and UHD HDR movies with true HD Atmos soundtrack and when you launch on Nvdia SHield, I will then monitor the audio signal sent to TV. I don't think the TV itself can downgrade the signal to DD+ Atmos, but potetnially the Nvidia Shield can do it.   I would just need your email you used to create your Plex account and then I'll grant you a temporary account ! can you DM this to me ?   Thanks   ... View more

With the Nvidia Shield do you have any way to have information on playback ? with which app are you reading the DOlby Atmos test file ? or maybe try to get the info from the C9 TV, when using the smartphone remote app, you have a button "i", when clicking on it the TV will display playback info like resolution, audio fromat etc...try to see if it indicates Dolby Atmos or something else. Also if you read the file from Plex on Nvidia, you have a way on your Plex server to check playback info ... View more

No streaming services provide lossless Atmos, bitrate is too high and stream would require higher bandwidth Even Apple TV+ (which for now has the highest bitrate in HDR) doesn't have lossless I think So yes Only way now to enjoy lossless Atmos out of BluRay discs is with Kodi / Plex and only on Nvidia Shield if I'm not wrong, no other devices auhtorize lossless ATmos passthrough through 3rd party apps. ... View more

then for your Nvidia Shield 2017 edition this might be a question of licensing. Do you see the Dolby Atmos logo appearing in these apps on the content page ? is yes then this is technical issue, if not then this compatibility issue with Shield 2017 ... View more

Yes it is true.   There are two types of Atmos : - lossless format like Dolby True HD Atmos wich need eARC as it needs an higher bitrate to be carried to the sound receiver. - lossy format like Dolby Digital Plus (written DD+) Atmos which is used by streaming services like Netflix or Prime Video, this only need ARC connection as the bitrate is lower than lossless format.     ... View more

So someone on AVSforums did some tests on the Xbox Atmos format and unfortunately eARC connection won't fix this....he tested this with both ARC and eARC and even with eARC, he still had the sync issue.... Also contacted Dolby and they just say I should connect the Xbox directly to the soundbar and not through TV, this is "improper setup" as they say...and they are not planning any update to fix this, such a shame that company like Dolby don't bring any support to their partner system and consumers.... ... View more

hey guys (hey Zach ) not sure missing eARC can really solve the delay issue on Xbox...but for those who have LG C9 TV apparently the upcoming update for multichannel PCM might solve this delay too. Anyway these delays only appear when connecting the Xbox to the TV and then TV to soundbar, so if you can, just connect Xbox to the soundbar directly. Also this issue only appear with Atmos format, if you change xbox settings to Dolby Digital, the delay disappear. So that's why I still have some hope about the eARC capability solving it but not 100% sure at all, we'll have to experience that when new firmware is realeased... ... View more