Re: My latest tv is deliberately NOT a Samsung - Page 291

ewanstancarr · ‎05-12-2017

So, of the nigh on 400 TVs supported in BBC iplayer for the Blue Planet II HLG episodes none are from Samsung. Oh joy.

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Moderator edit: Original thread title was "Blue Planet 2 HLG - No Samsung". With the OP's permission, the title was changed on 12/03/2018 to accurately reflect the dominant theme of the thread as it has progressed. If the reader would like to know more about the HLG format, please check out the BBC's page and FAQ's on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/high-dynamic-range Thank you, AntS.

paul1111 · ‎22-05-2018

@mrtickle wrote:
Yes. It's aimed squarely at families, with multiroom. If you are a single-TV household, you are screwed over. Sky have created the pricing structure and billing systems such that it's not even possible on the system to get 4K resolution unless you have multiroom. They clearly want to limit their market.
There is no technical requirement whatsoever for this. It's like BMW saying that if you buy a 5 Series, they will kludge it to be stuck permanently in 2nd gear unless you also buy a Mini. You only want and need ONE car, but they expect you to buy two and will screw over the car you wanted if you don't comply.

Thats why I quit sky and use freeveiw, and Netflix, buy the occasional film. Netflix and YouTube have loads of 4k and HDR. Sky is a rip off.

paul1111 · ‎22-05-2018

@mrtickle wrote:
Yes. It's aimed squarely at families, with multiroom. If you are a single-TV household, you are screwed over. Sky have created the pricing structure and billing systems such that it's not even possible on the system to get 4K resolution unless you have multiroom. They clearly want to limit their market.
There is no technical requirement whatsoever for this. It's like BMW saying that if you buy a 5 Series, they will kludge it to be stuck permanently in 2nd gear unless you also buy a Mini. You only want and need ONE car, but they expect you to buy two and will screw over the car you wanted if you don't comply.

Thats why I quit sky and use freeveiw, and Netflix, buy the occasional film. Netflix and YouTube have loads of 4k and HDR. Sky is a rip off. Why make you have an extra box when you do not want or need, madness.

dunwell · ‎22-05-2018

Ah Paul you’re back.

Presumably delighted with the Roku news / validation that HLG over HDMI works? You’ve been very quiet since tho good news came out last week!

paul1111 · ‎23-05-2018

@dunwell wrote:
Ah Paul you’re back.

Presumably delighted with the Roku news / validation that HLG over HDMI works? You’ve been very quiet since tho good news came out last week!

Yes but it only still works for roku as some have said and the Samsung player. Not because Samsung have done anything. Will sky Hlg work without the edid fix.

mrtickle · ‎23-05-2018

@paul1111 wrote:
Will sky Hlg work without the edid fix?

As your rhetocial question illustrates, for the benefit of newcomers to the thread - we already know that it will not (based on a reasonable assumption that they will use the same firmware in the UK as they are currently using in Italy).

Any HDMI device should and can ask the TV for its EDID information, and act accordingly. The minority that do not, such as the Roku above, are actually behaving in a non-standard way so it's luck that they work. They are blindly sending HLG HDR to the TV without knowing or checking whether or not the TV can display it! Future firmware updates for these devices could easily bring them into line with the standard way of doing things.

Therefore the only real fix is the Samsung EDID fix at the TV end.

Therefore the pressure of thousands of litigeous American DirectTV customers, and angry UK Sky customers, is required upon Samsung for the foreseeable future.

paul1111 · ‎23-05-2018

@mrtickle wrote:
@paul1111 wrote:
Will sky Hlg work without the edid fix?
As your rhetocial question illustrates, for the benefit of newcomers to the thread - we already know that it will not (based on a reasonable assumption that they will use the same firmware in the UK as they are currently using in Italy).

Any HDMI device should and can ask the TV for its EDID information, and act accordingly. The minority that do not, such as the Roku above, are actually behaving in a non-standard way so it's luck that they work. They are blindly sending HLG HDR to the TV without knowing or checking whether or not the TV can display it! Future firmware updates for these devices could easily bring them into line with the standard way of doing things.

Therefore the only real fix is the Samsung EDID fix at the TV end.

Therefore the pressure of thousands of litigeous American DirectTV customers, and angry UK Sky customers, is required upon Samsung for the foreseeable future.

Thanjs for that and it is as I thought, no HLG over HDMI for KS and JS models for the majority of other devices. So is this so called good news a bit misleading which could infer the problem has been fixed when it has not? Which still means no sky HLG for those who are hoping for it.

Still waiting for the update from Samsung moderater's who said a statement was close. Think I may have been corrected after all when I said it was closed.

chopples123 · ‎23-05-2018

checks orignal thread title.....

Originally there was disapointment that the 4k iplayer app didnt work via the in built app, then there was anger when it was suggested the app would never be updated to support 4k iplayer. Then it was suggested that using an external app would be a solution, various comments made EDID this and that, no external device supports 4k iplayer etc......

4-5 months on, BBC iplayer 4k is still in beta and we now have a relativly cheap external device which will supply 4k HLG to KS series sets, In all honesty does it matter how its achieved? the fact is it works

cheers

crashcris · ‎23-05-2018

Good for you @chopples123, meanwhile, JS owners are completely ignored. Come on Samsung, where's this announcement?

dunwell · ‎23-05-2018

My view would be:

- It's great we now have a solution to the initial point of this thread being created.

However:

- It is entirely unsatisfactory that customers who have spent £1,000+ on JS & KS TVs have had to spend an additional £50 - £80 on a supplementary device

- The Roku streaming stick may stop working at any time if (perversely) they ever fix the Roku interpretation of an EDID handshake

- We could be on the brink of a significant amount of HLG / HDR broadcast content, particularly for SkyQ subscribers, which won't be available without an EDID fix to the Samsung TV firmware

So the original issue has been mitigated but not resolved and larger, future issues are forseeable without any definitive word of a fix being worked on.

Remember, this thread (which I think is the most replied to ever on Samsung's EU forums by quite some distance) came about because JS & KS owners couldn't watch Blue Planet II in HDR. A shame? Certainly. A travesty? Not really, the Blu-Rays are cheap, available and look even better in HDR than the HLG broadcast versions.

Just imagine the level of opprobrium when JS / KS owners find they can't watch Premier League football, Ryder Cup golf, Formula One and hundreds of hours of dramas and documentaries on linear broadcast channels every day of the week.

The EDID fix is needed more than ever, regardless of the good news we've had with the Roku Streaming Stick+.

chopples123 · ‎23-05-2018

Sorry fellas was talking specifically Iplayer, appreciate there is the wider discussion but I would think the most relevant place for that would be the sky hdr thread. Those waiting for an announcement from Samsung about iplayer are pissing in the wind tbh.

For the js series you are kind of in the same boat no? Iplayer 4k didn’t work from the app and iplayer 4k will work from the Roku? Only difference being the hlg aspect which the 2015 sets do not support anyway.

Cheers

iPlayer HLG/UHD HDR on Samsung’s J and K Series TVs