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iPlayer HLG/UHD HDR on Samsung’s J and K Series TVs

(Topic created on: 09-02-2018 05:05 PM)
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ewanstancarr
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‎05-12-2017 06:16 AM - last edited ‎12-03-2018 12:46 PM by Moderator ) in 

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So, of the nigh on 400 TVs supported in BBC iplayer for the Blue Planet II  HLG episodes none are from Samsung. Oh joy. 

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Moderator edit: Original thread title was "Blue Planet 2 HLG - No Samsung". With the OP's permission, the title was changed on 12/03/2018 to accurately reflect the dominant theme of the thread as it has progressed. If the reader would like to know more about the HLG format, please check out the BBC's page and FAQ's on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/high-dynamic-range Thank you, AntS.

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snosig
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‎09-02-2018 05:05 PM

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In response to Jay108

The global press release with the title "Samsung and Amazon Video Deliver Next Generation HDR Video Experience with Updated Open Standard HDR10+" seems to be up, but how long that will be the case I do not know.

http://www.samsung.com/global/tv/news/samsung-and-amazon-video-deliver-next-generation-hdr-video-exp...

 

But if anyone needs I did print a pdf version of both webpages with press releases regarding HDR10+ on 2016 TV's, as well as one with the SmartThings press release. If interested you can send me a pm.

 

Also worthy to mention the site https://web.archive.org, where you can "travel back in time" on the internet and view snapshots of webpages at various times.

 

Here are the missing pages:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170613213502/https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-amazon-video-...

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20171029205910/https://news.samsung.com/global/how-hdr10-creates-like-re...

 

Once on the internet, always on the internet :smileywink:

paul1111
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‎09-02-2018 05:07 PM

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In response to amokuk
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Its not an act of criminality. Come on lets get some perspective. The hdr10+ releases were done after samsung had officially stopped manufacture and selling of the 2016 set. This is just another example of using PR to sell 2017 sets.
"Oh look we are still doing stuff with the 2016 tvs, aren't we great!?"

And another example of how things work at samsung. An utterly despicable company.

I think it's criminal offence to to remove evidence that could be used in any court proceedings. This is information and advertising that they used to get an advantage over their rivals and are now removing it because it was all lies. I hoping the likes of What Hi Fi and trusted reviews see this. It does show show you can never trust them again!!

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AntS
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‎09-02-2018 05:07 PM

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In response to Jay108

Hi @Jay108. To answer your question before I leave for the weekend, the list/report is being used in discussions between the relevant senior people at our end. No update on anything from that as of yet. 

 

To answer one of your earlier questions, the list/report is a summary of how the issues of HLG/HDR10+ etc. affects each of you (as reported by each of you). It intentionally cuts out all of the noise, and allows someone viewing it to see how things are at a glance. I update it from both this thread and the KS Owner’s one, as there are peeps in there who I didn’t want to get overlooked.

 

Before anyone asks me, I can't comment on the Newsroom's housekeeping, other than to say that as you guys should know, pretty much nothing put on the web is truly gone: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RhuGD7OKaS8J:https://news.samsung.com/global/s...

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UHDHDR
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‎09-02-2018 05:09 PM

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In response to snosig
wrote:

The global press release with the title "Samsung and Amazon Video Deliver Next Generation HDR Video Experience with Updated Open Standard HDR10+" seems to be up, but how long that will be the case I do not know.

http://www.samsung.com/global/tv/news/samsung-and-amazon-video-deliver-next-generation-hdr-video-exp...

 

But if anyone needs I did print a pdf version of both webpages with press releases regarding HDR10+ on 2016 TV's, as well as one with the SmartThings press release. If interested you can send me a pm.

 

Also worthy to mention the site https://web.archive.org, where you can "travel back in time" on the internet and view snapshots of webpages at various times.

 

Here are the missing pages:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170613213502/https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-amazon-video-...

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20171029205910/https://news.samsung.com/global/how-hdr10-creates-like-re...

 

Once on the internet, always on the internet :smileywink:

Interesting find. That first press release is identical to this one, which has been deleted: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-amazon-video-deliver-next-generation-hdr-video-experienc...

 

I guess they will be deleting that one soon as well, though.

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mrtickle
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‎09-02-2018 06:16 PM

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In response to snosig
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Also worthy to mention the site https://web.archive.org, where you can "travel back in time" on the internet and view snapshots of webpages at various times.

 

Here are the missing pages:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170613213502/https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-amazon-video-...

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20171029205910/https://news.samsung.com/global/how-hdr10-creates-like-re...

 

Once on the internet, always on the internet :smileywink:

Thankyou. Yes, you can't just delete things from the internet so easily. 

The first link above even has a working link to the web.archive's copy of the original PDF.

 

No-one needs to worry that they'll lose these press releases, lots of us have them saved. And they were press releases - issued to the press, and cut+pasted by thousands of lazy journalists worldside and re-published. Good journalists, of course, write their own copy to go with it. :smiling-face:

 

There's no hiding what a press release said in the past. It's sole purpose is to spread a message as far and wide as possible!

 

But it's always prudent to keep your own copies.

 

Turning to pages like the JL/Richer/Curry's pages from two years ago containing the accurate  descriptions of the SmartConnect dongle stuff - it's a minor miracle that sales pages from "two models ago" are still there, so for goodness' sake if you want to save copies of things like that, always do it without delay :smiling-face:

 

UHDHDR
Voyager

‎09-02-2018 06:38 PM

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In response to mrtickle

I think the takeaway here is that Samsung clearly will not be sticking to their word. Since they have already deleted a couple of those press releases, that pretty much tells me all I need to know. I'm sure they'll get to deleting the ones that are still up on their website soon as well.

mrtickle
Helping Hand

‎12-02-2018 08:10 PM - last edited ‎12-02-2018 08:12 PM

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In response to UHDHDR

For an example of what other broadcasters (not the BBC) are doing. CBS Sport is embracing it

https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/02/09/cbs-sports-directv-usher-golf-into-the-4k-hdr-era-at-pebble-b...

 

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Embracing HLG: CBS Moving Forward With Its HDR Format of Choice
Over the past year-plus, CBS Sports has settled on hybrid log gamma (HLG] as its HDR format for a variety of reasons, including its backwards-compatibility with SDR monitors.

“Our HDR-format [decision] has taken some time, but we’ve settled on HLG, and that is the format that we will continue to move forward on,” says [Mike] Francis. “Today, It’s the only way to go from the camera to the consumer without changing the tone-mapping. The other advantage is that it’s still credible for SDR monitoring in the mobile units, which is still what 95% of the monitors in trucks today have. As more equipment supports HLG, we will continue to integrate more elements into the show.”

[....]

Looking Ahead: Much More 4K HDR To Come for AT&T/DirecTV
Since delivering the first 4K HDR telecast to U.S. homes on Dec. 14 with a Penguins-Golden Knights NHL Matchup, AT&T/DirecTV has continued to blaze the live 4K HDR trail. It has committed to delivering 13 NBA games live in 4K HDR this season (beginning with Cavaliers-Bucks on Dec. 19) and carried Brian Setzer’s Christmas Rocks! concert on Dec. 18, the Rose Parade on New Year’s Day (in conjunction with Scripps), and UFC 220 in Boston on Jan. 20. In addition, beginning today, DirecTV (along with Dish Network and Comcast) is offering 4K HDR coverage of the 2018 PyeongChang Olympics on a one-day delay. And Ward says to expect announcements of live 4K HDR programming surrounding sports events in the coming weeks and months.

“Obviously, we don’t want to go backwards; we want to keep pushing this forward. And that means doing more 4K with HDR,” he says. “We went from 600 hours [of live 4K content] in 2016 to more than 800 hours in 2017, and I’m hoping for 1,000-plus hours this year, and I want the bulk of that to be in HDR because we believe that to be the truly unique visual difference.”

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There you go - 1,000 hours of content. And we've had to create this massive thread because we didn't get our six hours from the BBC. And they had a hundred times more HDR content in 2016 than this six hours. So they'd better get their act together before we have 1,000 missing hours....

 

 

hdmi
Voyager

‎13-02-2018 10:16 AM

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In response to mrtickle
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For an example of what other broadcasters (not the BBC) are doing. CBS Sport is embracing it

https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/02/09/cbs-sports-directv-usher-golf-into-the-4k-hdr-era-at-pebble-b...

 

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Embracing HLG: CBS Moving Forward With Its HDR Format of Choice
Over the past year-plus, CBS Sports has settled on hybrid log gamma (HLG] as its HDR format for a variety of reasons, including its backwards-compatibility with SDR monitors.

“Our HDR-format [decision] has taken some time, but we’ve settled on HLG, and that is the format that we will continue to move forward on,” says [Mike] Francis. “Today, It’s the only way to go from the camera to the consumer without changing the tone-mapping. The other advantage is that it’s still credible for SDR monitoring in the mobile units, which is still what 95% of the monitors in trucks today have. As more equipment supports HLG, we will continue to integrate more elements into the show.”

[....]

Looking Ahead: Much More 4K HDR To Come for AT&T/DirecTV
Since delivering the first 4K HDR telecast to U.S. homes on Dec. 14 with a Penguins-Golden Knights NHL Matchup, AT&T/DirecTV has continued to blaze the live 4K HDR trail. It has committed to delivering 13 NBA games live in 4K HDR this season (beginning with Cavaliers-Bucks on Dec. 19) and carried Brian Setzer’s Christmas Rocks! concert on Dec. 18, the Rose Parade on New Year’s Day (in conjunction with Scripps), and UFC 220 in Boston on Jan. 20. In addition, beginning today, DirecTV (along with Dish Network and Comcast) is offering 4K HDR coverage of the 2018 PyeongChang Olympics on a one-day delay. And Ward says to expect announcements of live 4K HDR programming surrounding sports events in the coming weeks and months.

“Obviously, we don’t want to go backwards; we want to keep pushing this forward. And that means doing more 4K with HDR,” he says. “We went from 600 hours [of live 4K content] in 2016 to more than 800 hours in 2017, and I’m hoping for 1,000-plus hours this year, and I want the bulk of that to be in HDR because we believe that to be the truly unique visual difference.”

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There you go - 1,000 hours of content. And we've had to create this massive thread because we didn't get our six hours from the BBC. And they had a hundred times more HDR content in 2016 than this six hours. So they'd better get their act together before we have 1,000 missing hours....

 

 

LOL BBC not deploying the tech it developed, maybe something to do with poularity/low audience numbers 

Jay108
Voyager

‎13-02-2018 10:26 AM

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In response to mrtickle
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For an example of what other broadcasters (not the BBC) are doing. CBS Sport is embracing it

https://www.sportsvideo.org/2018/02/09/cbs-sports-directv-usher-golf-into-the-4k-hdr-era-at-pebble-b...

 

----

Embracing HLG: CBS Moving Forward With Its HDR Format of Choice
Over the past year-plus, CBS Sports has settled on hybrid log gamma (HLG] as its HDR format for a variety of reasons, including its backwards-compatibility with SDR monitors.

“Our HDR-format [decision] has taken some time, but we’ve settled on HLG, and that is the format that we will continue to move forward on,” says [Mike] Francis. “Today, It’s the only way to go from the camera to the consumer without changing the tone-mapping. The other advantage is that it’s still credible for SDR monitoring in the mobile units, which is still what 95% of the monitors in trucks today have. As more equipment supports HLG, we will continue to integrate more elements into the show.”

[....]

Looking Ahead: Much More 4K HDR To Come for AT&T/DirecTV
Since delivering the first 4K HDR telecast to U.S. homes on Dec. 14 with a Penguins-Golden Knights NHL Matchup, AT&T/DirecTV has continued to blaze the live 4K HDR trail. It has committed to delivering 13 NBA games live in 4K HDR this season (beginning with Cavaliers-Bucks on Dec. 19) and carried Brian Setzer’s Christmas Rocks! concert on Dec. 18, the Rose Parade on New Year’s Day (in conjunction with Scripps), and UFC 220 in Boston on Jan. 20. In addition, beginning today, DirecTV (along with Dish Network and Comcast) is offering 4K HDR coverage of the 2018 PyeongChang Olympics on a one-day delay. And Ward says to expect announcements of live 4K HDR programming surrounding sports events in the coming weeks and months.

“Obviously, we don’t want to go backwards; we want to keep pushing this forward. And that means doing more 4K with HDR,” he says. “We went from 600 hours [of live 4K content] in 2016 to more than 800 hours in 2017, and I’m hoping for 1,000-plus hours this year, and I want the bulk of that to be in HDR because we believe that to be the truly unique visual difference.”

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There you go - 1,000 hours of content. And we've had to create this massive thread because we didn't get our six hours from the BBC. And they had a hundred times more HDR content in 2016 than this six hours. So they'd better get their act together before we have 1,000 missing hours....

 

 

Looks like HLG is going to the Format that many broadcasters will adopt.

 

If remember correctly Samsung have already confirmed that HLG live  broadcast is already supported by KS 2016 models. ?! 

 

amokuk
Voyager

‎13-02-2018 10:45 AM - last edited ‎13-02-2018 10:47 AM

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In response to Jay108

It depends what you define as live broadcast... BBC will deliver live HLG broadcasts via iplayer. To be clear for the umpteenth time there will never be over the air 4k broadcasts in the UK, there is no bandwidth available.

 

The US is different and probably why its been easier for them to adopt HLG quicker, or at least apparently so.