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HW-K650 and Two R1 Wirelss Speakers in 5.1 With KS7000 TV

(Topic created on: 12/02/18 22:53)
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When using the K650 sound bar and two R1 Wireless speakers in surround sound mode over wifi with the latest firmware, The quailty of the sound K650 drops, sounds very muddy. As soon as you use the sound bar on it own, the sound bar improves. this is happening for a quite a few users.

 

can you help.

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Maverick9144
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I cannot find this "PCM" option, but instead there is a "Passthrough" option, which is currently enabled, and I think that's the same as having PCM disabled.

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frankub85
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Noticed something:

set up:

Samsung HW-K650 + 2 R5 speakers

In multichannel mode over wifi - if i turn up the volume with the remote control of the samsung smart tv the volume goes up on all speakers - while if i turn up the volume with the soundbar controller, the R5 speakers go immediately half the volume of the soundbar speaker. Is this normal? i have to go back to the tv controller turn the volume down to zero and than bring it back up and it is all level on all three speakers. 

Another thing, on the multiroom app i am in surround mode (5ch), i have set up the balance to max for the rear speakers and mid for soundbar. 

All good so far.  

What do you guys think? 

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kwiggo
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Hi Newbie, here hoping someone can give me a quick steer.

I have a hw-ms 650. I have just purchased an R6 did add a bit of back speaker. I own a 2017 samsung tv as well. I do not seem to be able to connect both the 650 and r6 simultaneously? the 650 is connected via a hdmi lead as well as potentially wifi.

I have down loaded the samsung multiroom app and both units connect to it on the same wifi network that the tv connects to. Both the 650 and the r6 appear in the app and using speaker selection on the tv i can listen to both units independantly but not together.

I can not select the multilink setting on the tv, i spoke to samsung and they told me i need to purchase another r6? i am loathe to do this as i am not after a 5.1 type solution, just wanted a bit of a sound out put behind me.

So any way to get the two units working together? any help appreciated, many thanks

 

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Peejay84
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I think the surround option only shows up when you have at least two Radiant speakers connected.

 

You can still pair your soundbar with R6 as multiroom "Group" and listen to music like that, but you won't be able to play tv sound through it

kwiggo
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Thanks for the information, thats a blow as i really didnt want to get into having to buy any more speakers as well as finding places were to fit them!

Thx

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Neilwales
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I made the same mistake. You need two rear speakers for your setup to configure for surround sound. Hope this helps.

kwiggo
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many thanks for the replies, just one other question, do i need to use another r6 or can i use a cheaper r1?

thx

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Peejay84
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I don't think anyone here has two different types of speakers. R6 is the weird shaped one with a battery right?

 

My bet is that they would connect, but will probably sound weird as they are different speakers.

 

Be sure to buy somewhere you can return! 

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many thx

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kwiggo
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one last assist plz, other than the very expensive sub samsung offer to match the ms 650 are there others in there range ( or anybody elses) that could work with the 650?

thx

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Peejay84
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No, ms650 only works with swa-w700 sub. It's expensive but iveI read it is really good.

 

Also if you have ms650 you might consider buying dedicated rear speakers for it, swa-9000. They should be less problematic than radiants, and you can use the remote to control them. They are also cheap, i think they cost less than a single r6

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many thx for the steer, appreciated.

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Buckulus
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Not sure if this is new information or not, but it looks like when the system is powered down it 'forgets' the custom levels... however the sliders in the app and on the TV stay the same. So it looks like the rears volume has been boosted, when actually the soundbar and rears are at 0.

 

I find selecting 'reset' the sliders go back to the middle and the sound stays the same. Now you can reduce soundbar levels and increase rears, resulting in much more acceptable rear levels in my opinion.

 

Frustrating that this has to be changed every single time the system is powered down/the TV is turned off, but at least I now have a workaround.

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kwiggo
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Thanks for help so far chaps, so after buying just the 0ne r6 then realising i needed 2 rear speakers i returned it and purchased 2 r1s, so all connected and working.

Sounds quite good so far however would appreciate valuble insight from those that have helped create such an intersting forum so far.

So tv is a samsung 8 series sound bar originally connected to Tv via Arc input using a hdmi, this lead is still pluggesd in the back. Guess it can stay there?

So  i seem to have connected my 3 speakers to the tvs wifi as opposed to connecting each individual speaker to the router. Is this an acceptable way to go or should i reset the speakers and connect individually to the router?

When i group the speakers ms650 controls become non funstional, eg bass/smart/surround/music/pop etc is this normal?

they also disappear on the app , the app tells me to disconnect from the tv to play music as an example, any help greatly appreciated

thx

Keith 

kwiggo
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should have mentioned when all 3 speakers are working together the 650 shows its in wifi mode when on hdmi/arc only soundbar works.

thx

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Peejay84
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If you want to get surround via HDMI you need to pick soundbar in tv settings and manually add surround in MULTIROOM app. I'd recommend you to stick with WIFI setup you just did because it has perfect lipsync, with HDMI you will get lag you can't adjust if you add rear speakers. 

Be sure to set your TV to "Dolby Digital" in sound options. With MS650 you can also get DTS 5.1 but it doesn't work via WIFI, you need to use the HDMI method, and change to DTS in TV settings.

 

If you are watching Netflix, Amazon, Showmax or TV it is all in Dolby, so you can just leave it with WIFI setup. You should also raise your R1's volume to +6 either in TV surround settings or in Multiroom, because they are too low. 

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>When i group the speakers ms650 controls become non funstional, eg bass/smart/surround/music/pop etc is this normal?

Oh about that. yeah that's what happens with Radiant speakers as rears. That's why i was recommending you to get dedicated SWA9000s speakers, you can control them with your remote and also change soundbar settings. I guess after HW-K650 and other K series soundbars, Samsung realized that Radiant speakers as rears are just too problematic and MS line just got a dedicated rears that you connect to the soundbar with a wifi dongle, and not your router, so i guess they have no lag.

If you want more bass though, just power up the soundbar first and set the desired bass level and then power up tv.
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wow , really good stuff , many thanks!

kwiggo
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i will keep the wifi settings I think as you advise, it seems the most elegant solution, is there a technique to getting it working with an echo dot? I have asked Alexa to add new speakers (which I have renamed as per Alexa skills instructions) but nothing seems to be found?
thx
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Peejay84
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Can't help you with that, i have 0 knowledge about Alexa :winking-face:

 

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kwiggo
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i have as i mentioned connected via wifi,  i have not been succesful at trying the soundbar on hdmi and the speakers working with wifi via the multiroom app, the tv menu only seems to allow for either or? unless i am been thick ( more than likely)

so why would i try that in the first place? the sound from bar connected via hdmi ( bear in mind when i do this the surrounds dont work) just sounds better to these ears, and when connected via the hdmi, the sound is also a lot louder from the soundbar, as soon as i connect using wifi ( as in all speakers are working) the soundbar volume drops considerably.

the sound from the r1s is there but quite frankly just sounds , well very tinny? assume that is how it is supposed to be , reading the forum there are quite of lot of concerns about SQ etc.

i have tried out putting tv in both dolby and pcm, esteemed members on the forum suggest out put needs to be set to DD rather than pcm, however when i switch to Pcm, volume jumps considerably, is this normal, the SQ from both sounds ok to me?

Any thoughts?

thx in advance

Keith 

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