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HW-K650 and Two R1 Wirelss Speakers in 5.1 With KS7000 TV

(Topic created on: 17-03-2017 02:04 PM)
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When using the K650 sound bar and two R1 Wireless speakers in surround sound mode over wifi with the latest firmware, The quailty of the sound K650 drops, sounds very muddy. As soon as you use the sound bar on it own, the sound bar improves. this is happening for a quite a few users.

 

can you help.

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leelazer
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I would like to confirm that the latest update does not solve the rear volume issue for me. Even with the sound bar set to its lowest point and the rear channels set to their highest in the surround set up screen the rears are still way to quiet. I would add that when you run the test on the TV all volumes now sound ok even after the settings are saved. However, when you them play a test file such as the one we have used previously the sound on the rears is way too low.  Back to the optical work around again for a while. 

 

Lee 

dfensom
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Just to let everyone know - I have contacted BBC Watch Dog (via their web page).

I suggest that everyone else does the same. The more people they have writing in, the more it will help.


David

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JCFARROW
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Ive done the same. And will be contacting 'Which?' this afternoon.

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Monkfish
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Good luck guys. I'm happy with my Sony-alternative (referred to in my previous posts).

 

I'd love full wireless too, but if you have the chance, box it up, and take it back. For the same price, you can get a discrete 5.1 with wireless rears, rather than the soundbar. Massive difference. You still have to use an optical cable, but you never have to worry about diverging firmware again. 

 

Hoefully this post at least provides an unwanted advertisement, and further pressure for changes. 

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AntS
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Perspective and perception… it’s an interesting thing. Apologies in advance for the following “essay”, but I do feel the need to say something here.

 

As @LeeS said, we do feed info back to the relevant peeps at our end. Much as we’d love to have them for you guys, instant solutions aren’t always available – and then when you think you have something sorted, frustratingly it isn’t or a further complication arises. That’s certainly been my experience in working in tech support: some are quick and easy, some are not so much, and have you feeling like you're banging your head against a wall.

 

Early on I tried to take out the antagonistic sting out of this thread’s issue as I personally believe that, more often than not, synergistic relationships work better for all concerned. That view is shared by many at Samsung, and one of the primary reasons this Community was set up; and why I’m here on it (other than the pizza, of course). For technical issues like the one in this thread, I don’t think something like marching on offices or "naming and shaming" achieves anything useful, apart from alleviating frustration. I do think you guys reporting your experience with as much info you can give us about it, and us sending it over to the relevant product teams to see what they can do to improve stuff, is more beneficial for everyone, including those out there that haven’t taken the time to get in touch with us or for some reason are unable to do so. That's as much true for this thread's issue as any other ones on the boards here. But hey, maybe that’s just the way I roll. Bigger picture and “let’s work together to make a better world” type hippy stuff.

 

Also, with the moderators currently being the highest posters on the entire UK Community, I think it’s a tad unjust to accuse us of not answering stuff - even the not-so-simple queries. In truth, our role on the Community was supposed to be mainly one of regulation/admin with the odd response here and there to get conversations going or give encouragement/discouragement as needed, but we’ve decided to go beyond that initial remit and commit a large chunk of time and resource to participating. You folks don’t see it, but we’re constantly bothering people in other departments with queries.

 

Fully appreciate that it might feel as though we don't care or have forgotten about you though, but that really isn't the case, and the reason we don’t post as much in this thread is there’s nothing for us to say other than “Thanks! We've fed this back," or "It’s being worked on, guys” – which as some of you have said isn’t something you want to hear every day (and given how the thread turned early on, not something you folks would necessarily believe if put on a looped repeat).

Monkfish
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I'm sure there will be a lot of people here that are happy you have responded Ant. And it is good. 

 

Though you may not have much new to say, "managing expectations" is something that all companies have to focus on - it can be more important that what you actually deliver. Toiling away in the backoffice is great, but perceptions are what matter. Who knows whats going on behind closed doors? The development teams may be continuing to develop their firmwares in isolation for example. Or perceived to. 

 

Even if there is not much news, I'm sure the guys here (visible and lurking) would be happy for weekly status updates - say on a Friday afternoon. 

 

That way you'll build your community, people will get behind you, the pitchforks will be in *less* demand, and expectations will be managed. 

 

(I may no longer have the k650, but I am a happy owner of other Samsung equipment, including a nice unsmart TV that I bought in 2007 and has gone strong for 10 years now.)

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Dear AntS, 

 

Your entire hypothesis is relevant given good communication and timely action, neither of which Samsung have been able to participate in regardless of the form of media that the problems are reported in (forum, phone calls etc.......). 

 

I am happy with not receiving instant solutions and this was never an expectation,  but absolutely no communication apart from when cages are rattled is completely sub standard customer service. I am yet to be able to speak with anyone on the phone from Samsung directly regarding this, and the customer call centre product specialists cannot help......... All just playing pass the buck. 

 

I originally reported the issues to the call centre some time ago when the audio issue arose, and found that even though I was promised it was being looked into, when I called back after two months no one knew what I was on about! 

 

Yet again the only reason we now know that the recent update for the WAM's was supposed to deal with rear volume issues, is because I threatened to visit head office and your colleague at head office chased this up by phone and updated me (all in the space of 1 hour) , following up on my numerous emails to your senior customer support team and CEO. 

 

As I stated in my previous post this is not personal or aimed at individuals, but there is no sense of urgency at all on here or anywhere else in Samsung's customer service unless the issues are pushed to head office level! 

 

If your remit is just to make the odd post here and defend yourself when you feel offended, then can I suggest that a direct line of contact between us and your experts is opened up as per our numerous posts requesting such action; there is absolutely no ownership at Samsung with this issue which at the risk of repeating myself has been going on for some months. 

 

synergistic relationships are based on clear and timely communication! 

 

The only reason we have a temporary workaround at all is because people on here have helped each other, as a result of clear and timely communication. 

 

I believe the role of the generic moderator either needs to be completely changed to suit the needs of customers, or explicit indications posted on here that Moderators are here to do just that and only that........... Moderate....... Occasionally. 

 

Then there will be no confusion caused by customers having the wrong Perspective and perception! 

 

Please also remember that we are all just customers attempting to get what we paid for; I would love my money back and to return all this kit but unfortunately this is not possible. 

 

I have a full and concise diary of all communications and timings of responses both on here, by email and phone and will use this information to ensure if nothing else I have done my upmost to express my dissatisfaction in your customer service in general. 

 

 

AntS
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@Monkfish wrote:

I'm sure there will be a lot of people here that are happy you have responded Ant. And it is good. 

 

Though you may not have much new to say, "managing expectations" is something that all companies have to focus on - it can be more important that what you actually deliver. Toiling away in the backoffice is great, but perceptions are what matter. Who knows whats going on behind closed doors? The development teams may be continuing to develop their firmwares in isolation for example. Or perceived to. 

 

Even if there is not much news, I'm sure the guys here (visible and lurking) would be happy for weekly status updates - say on a Friday afternoon. 

 

That way you'll build your community, people will get behind you, the pitchforks will be in *less* demand, and expectations will be managed. 

 

(I may no longer have the k650, but I am a happy owner of other Samsung equipment, including a nice unsmart TV that I bought in 2007 and has gone strong for 10 years now.)


No worries. And good points raised, Monkfish. I'm happy to keep folks updated from now on in - even if it's non-news. 

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frustrated
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Can I suggest something.

When Samsung test a new firmware, prior to release it is standard engineering practice to use a defined hardware setup to ensure 1. The reported issue is resolved and 2. That no unexpected bugs have been introduced. 

As far as I can tell there is little or no  official samsung information regarding how to setup the 5.1 system. Could samsung please let us know the various settings for WiFi, arc, optical for both the tv and where appropriate the sound bar. If the samsung testers and the end users use the same settings we should hopefully get to the desired outcome sooner. A note of the firmware builds used would also help. 

Also is there a preferred setup for getting 5.1 when using a samsung KS  tv and the Hwk650 and R1 combo?

 

Robbienobs
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Email from Samsung;

 

Dear Mr ******,

 

This does appear to be an unusual case, in that the update provided has been tested and has addressed the reported volume issues within our test facility.

 

Given that you and other members of the community have advised that this has not resolved the issue with your products, as before I have reported this back to our AV department who are completing further testing. These updates are supplied from our global headquarters in South Korea, who have also been made aware of this in order to support.

 

With the above in mind, I can continue to liaise with our AV department daily to provide information to yourself until this is resolved suitably, but must advise that you are already in contact with the senior point of escalation within Samsung UK, and that not only would we not be able to accommodate a visit or meeting, but there would be no further team with which to put you in contact should you attempt to visit. I must again recommend continuation of contact by email or through community.

 

As above, I will continue to update you and trust that moves will have been made by the next time we speak, following the weekend.

 

Regards

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