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iPlayer HLG/UHD HDR on Samsung’s J and K Series TVs

(Topic created on: 05-12-2017 06:16 AM)
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ewanstancarr
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So, of the nigh on 400 TVs supported in BBC iplayer for the Blue Planet II  HLG episodes none are from Samsung. Oh joy. 

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Moderator edit: Original thread title was "Blue Planet 2 HLG - No Samsung". With the OP's permission, the title was changed on 12/03/2018 to accurately reflect the dominant theme of the thread as it has progressed. If the reader would like to know more about the HLG format, please check out the BBC's page and FAQ's on it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/projects/high-dynamic-range Thank you, AntS.

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Yeah the 2018 XF series looks to be shaping up quite nicely based on the first reviews. I have heard sometime in March for the UK but no prices yet, one Sony outlet has prices but nobody knows if they are accurate.

 

The 2017 is the XE series.

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@paul1277wrote:

Think I now will see what the 2018 hdmi 2.1 models look like. 


Forget that idea, the Samsung 2018 televisions won't have HDMI2.1 .

The HDMI2.1 testing parameters haven't been finalised yet to send to manufacturers. The first products with HDMI2.1 will not appear until Q3/4 this year.

The only HDMI2.1 product I know of that has been even announced is this:

https://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/homecinema/avreceiver/avcx8500h

The Denon Flagship model, which they are promising will have a firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.1 later, obviously it won't have HDMI2.1 at launch; HDMI2.1 is not finished yet.

 

Even if Samsung made the same promise as Denon, would you believe them now?!

 

mrtickle
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@amokukwrote:

Perhaps samsung could explain why it already supports mpeg-dash but cant support it anymore?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_over_HTTP#Implementations

 

MPEG-DASH is available natively on Android through the ExoPlayer, on Samsung Smart TVs 2012+, LG Smart TV 2012+, Sony TV 2012+, Philips NetTV 4.1+, Panasonic Viera 2013+ and Chromecast.[14] YouTube as well as Netflix already support MPEG-DASH, and different MPEG-DASH players are available.

 

https://bitmovin.com/mpeg-dash-browser-support-device-compatibility/

Samsung Smart TV 2012+  tick_green_sm2tick_green_sm2

 


My explanation, after reading all 199 pages of this thread since the beginning, is that John Archer made a mistake and didn't check properly. 

* He should have written "DVB-DASH", which is the European standard the rest of his article talks about. And which is the standard that someone way back in December guessed would be the reason. Kudos to that person, I would read back to find you but it's a long thread!

* This is not the same as what he did write: "DASH", which as we all know, is already supported by the TV and used in YouTube and many other apps.

 

(It's not the first time he's done it, and it's won't be the last, he's a journalist paid per article and I'm sorry to say I've spotted many other mistakes in his articles over the years, as well as hysterics. I've tweeted him and hopefully he will correct the article, he normally does).

 

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@mrticklewrote:

@paul1277wrote:

Think I now will see what the 2018 hdmi 2.1 models look like. 


Forget that idea, the Samsung 2018 televisions won't have HDMI2.1 .

The HDMI2.1 testing parameters haven't been finalised yet to send to manufacturers. The first products with HDMI2.1 will not appear until Q3/4 this year.

The only HDMI2.1 product I know of that has been even announced is this:

https://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/homecinema/avreceiver/avcx8500h

The Denon Flagship model, which they are promising will have a firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.1 later, obviously it won't have HDMI2.1 at launch; HDMI2.1 is not finished yet.

 

Even if Samsung made the same promise as Denon, would you believe them now?!

 


No I would not buy Samsung but I bet other manufacturers will be also looking at 2.1. I can wait a few months to see what's around the corner. 

 

 

mrtickle
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@paul1277wrote:

@mrticklewrote:

@paul1277wrote:

Think I now will see what the 2018 hdmi 2.1 models look like. 


Forget that idea, the Samsung 2018 televisions won't have HDMI2.1 .

The HDMI2.1 testing parameters haven't been finalised yet to send to manufacturers. The first products with HDMI2.1 will not appear until Q3/4 this year.

The only HDMI2.1 product I know of that has been even announced is this:

https://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/homecinema/avreceiver/avcx8500h

The Denon Flagship model, which they are promising will have a firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.1 later, obviously it won't have HDMI2.1 at launch; HDMI2.1 is not finished yet.

 

Even if Samsung made the same promise as Denon, would you believe them now?!

 


No I would not buy Samsung but I bet other manufacturers will be also looking at 2.1. I can wait a few months to see what's around the corner. 

 

 


Oh yes, it will be the new standard.

Here is a reference by the way, and an interesting article none the less.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1511934073

 

 

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@mrticklewrote:

@paul1277wrote:

@mrticklewrote:

@paul1277wrote:

Think I now will see what the 2018 hdmi 2.1 models look like. 


Forget that idea, the Samsung 2018 televisions won't have HDMI2.1 .

The HDMI2.1 testing parameters haven't been finalised yet to send to manufacturers. The first products with HDMI2.1 will not appear until Q3/4 this year.

The only HDMI2.1 product I know of that has been even announced is this:

https://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/homecinema/avreceiver/avcx8500h

The Denon Flagship model, which they are promising will have a firmware upgrade to HDMI 2.1 later, obviously it won't have HDMI2.1 at launch; HDMI2.1 is not finished yet.

 

Even if Samsung made the same promise as Denon, would you believe them now?!

 


No I would not buy Samsung but I bet other manufacturers will be also looking at 2.1. I can wait a few months to see what's around the corner. 

 

 


Oh yes, it will be the new standard.

Here is a reference by the way, and an interesting article none the less.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1511934073

 

 The question is do I wait?  Got a lot of things for 2.1 

Bit confused over dynamic meta data is I thought that was Dolby vision and hdr10+ which works with 2.0a. 


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@paul1277wrote:

@mrticklewrote:

Oh yes, it will be the new standard.

Here is a reference by the way, and an interesting article none the less.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1511934073

 

 The question is do I wait?  Got a lot of things for 2.1 

Bit confused over dynamic meta data is I thought that was Dolby vision and hdr10+ which works with 2.0a. 



For televisions, you're talking about the 2019 models, which means March 2019 realistically at the earliest.

 

HDR10+ officially definitely needs HDMI2.1 . They were talking about trying to find ways to get it to work over HDMI2.0a/b , but that's not a given, we still don't know yet - and why for our TVs said (when they made their HDR10+ promise) it was to be be internal apps only. Hope that clears up the confusion :smiling-face:

 

Since the only source of HDR10+ at the moment is Amazon Prime who refuse to label their HDR10+ streams in their user interface differently from their HDR10 streams, and Samsung's Info banner (for HDMI resolution, signal type etc) on our TVs can't be used with internal apps, it's impossible to test this stuff at the moment with what we have. But given that dynamic metadata makes the biggest difference with low-nit TVs like OLEDs and we have a high-nit TV it's not a big deal.

 

 

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@mrticklewrote:

@paul1277wrote:

@mrticklewrote:

Oh yes, it will be the new standard.

Here is a reference by the way, and an interesting article none the less.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1511934073

 

 The question is do I wait?  Got a lot of things for 2.1 

Bit confused over dynamic meta data is I thought that was Dolby vision and hdr10+ which works with 2.0a. 



For televisions, you're talking about the 2019 models, which means March 2019 realistically at the earliest.

 

HDR10+ officially definitely needs HDMI2.1 . They were talking about trying to find ways to get it to work over HDMI2.0a/b , but that's not a given, we still don't know yet - and why for our TVs said (when they made their HDR10+ promise) it was to be be internal apps only. Hope that clears up the confusion :smiling-face:

 

Since the only source of HDR10+ at the moment is Amazon Prime who refuse to label their HDR10+ streams in their user interface differently from their HDR10 streams, and Samsung's Info banner (for HDMI resolution, signal type etc) on our TVs can't be used with internal apps, it's impossible to test this stuff at the moment with what we have. But given that dynamic metadata makes the biggest difference with low-nit TVs like OLEDs and we have a high-nit TV it's not a big deal.

 

 


Thanks for that.  I got told off by @UHDHDR for saying you need 2.1 for hdr10 + over hdmi. Seems I was right. I have a 32 inch smart telly that I will now use and wait for 2.1 

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@paul1277wrote:

@mrticklewrote:


Thanks for that.  I got told off by @UHDHDR for saying you need 2.1 for hdr10 + over hdmi. Seems I was right. 


Again. Technically you do but, maybe you don't if they can get it working. It is NOT CLEAR BECAUSE NO-ONE CAN TEST IT AND AMAZON REFUSES TO CO-OPERATE.

 

 

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@mrticklewrote: 

HDR10+ officially definitely needs HDMI2.1 . They were talking about trying to find ways to get it to work over HDMI2.0a/b , but that's not a given, we still don't know yet - and why for our TVs said (when they made their HDR10+ promise) it was to be be internal apps only. Hope that clears up the confusion :smiling-face:

 

 

 


That's actually not true. At no point did Samsung say that HDR10+ would be restricted to the internal apps. Some speculated that it would, based on misconceptions, but that was just incorrect speculation.

 

We now know, based on statements from Panasonic, and an actual demonstration by Samsung, as well as from insider 2themax on the blu-ray.com forum, that HDMI 2.0 is all that is needed.