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KS Owners refund

(Topic created on: 11-07-2018 05:44 PM)
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paul1277
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Do all you good people who bought a 2016 Samsung TV know Samsung have stopped supporting it. The promised they would support HLG (BBC Iplayer HDR). This was in the Dec 2016 Trusted Reviews and What Hi Fi. They have not and if you had bought a Panasonic or LG 2016 set you would be able to watch Iplayer Blue Planet 2 in glorious HLG. This is a big issue because HLG looks like the standard for all over the air broadcasting. Samsung are not even supporting a 4K update to Iplayer. The reason looks like it will cost just 5 cents or pence per unit. So my telly I bought in Jan 2017 is deemed as out of date by Samsung!!!!!!

You wrote in your Dec 2016 issue that Samsung were supporting HLG in their 2016 models. Do you know that Samsung have supported their 2017 models but not the 2016 models. I know because the BBC IPlayer Blue Planet 2 will not play in 4K or HLG. It's not good considering Panasonic and LG both do support their 2016 models. It means my KS model I bought in Jan is now deemed out of date by Samsung. It looks like their are royalty fees which Samsung will not pay! Not good.


All you people in the UK can return your KS TVs IF you bought it for the use of the smartthings Extend that will never be coming out for our TVs. ***** is how.

 

Tell them you want a full refund because they promised that if you bought a KS TV you would get a FREE Smartthings Extend. They proof you will need is easy to find and is the reason you bought this TV.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMc3V98yzNY

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSWoUmU5YQ

I bought mine from J Lewis and the Samsung Extend addvert is still there https://www.johnlewis.com/electricals/samsung/smart-tv/c9601000048?rdr=1

 

If you bought your KS TV from currys http://techtalk.currys.co.uk/tv-gaming/tv/how-to-control-your-home-from-your-smart-tv/

 

They both say that you will get a free smartthings extend USB dongle.

Now send you TVs back for a full refund Smiley Happy

 

 

All those who bought a Samsung TV in 2016 may have claim for miss selling. It basically means that all you folks who bought the 2016 Samsung units have 2 choices. After Dec 2016 and if you had seen any articles that are press release's about HLG support and that influenced you decision to buy may have a case. For all those owners who read the info from the retailers on their web pages and saw and was influenced by the promise of the smart connect which has not been honoured, then you also have a case for miss selling. If you all spread this in all available media then I am sure the retailers would put pressure on to Samsung to correct this. If nothing else you could end up with nice shiny LG or Panasonic, or the new Philips that all are HLG BBC iplayer compatible, and with the HDR10 plus that again Samsung have still not implemented, you may be best with LG and Dolby Vision.

Also take a copy of the retailers web page before they change the description.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSWoUmU5YQ

I will try to explain how to get a refund for miss selling (seen how much the LG's have come down). I followed this way and got a full refund or a JS8000.

You need to show that you asked or believed that or influenced by claims made about the capabilities of the TV. With BBC Iplayer HLG it's from the Trusted reviews and What Hi Fi, and any other publications and if you asked the retailer.

 

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/hdr-tv-what-it-how-can-you-get-it#6locceZo3Zf8yi5T.99

you can show you had been informed.

It's different with the smart connect as that is advertised on the main retailers web sites,

https://www.johnlewis.com/electricals/samsung/smart-tv/c9601000048?rdr=1
http://techtalk.currys.co.uk/tv-gaming/tv/how-to-control-your-home-from-your-smart-tv/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSWoUmU5YQ

As the donngle's have not turned up you now claim miss selling, so either go to your retailer or email them with the web page, and explain why you think you were miss sold. Also phone Citizens Advice 03444 111 444 and raise a case (this also gets past on to Trading Standards). Explain that the retailer informed you off the capabilities via their web page information, and either show the page printer or the link, as above.

They will advise and link you to some template letters to send to your retailer.

I had to send a letter of intent to take legal action (template from Citizens Advice) against Curry's but then they gave me a refund.

So mention all the promises from Samsung full support for HLG, Smart Connect, and HDR10+

It will cost nothing to ask and again may bring some pressure on to Samsung.

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mrtickle
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@Boofg100 wrote:

Regarding currys I have been told if i want to take my case further then I will need to contact their legal dept.  They have provided me address which is below. I was also told that, they will only accept contact from a solicitor.  So their claim is my legal representative can only speak to their legal team

 

1 Portal Way North Acton London W3 6RS


 

That's as maybe but they clearly have never heard of the Small Claims court. I bet they'd answer a summons from that Court, they can ignore it at their peril "because it didn't come from your solicitor" at their peril.

Again, it's just bullying tactics.

 

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@mrtickle wrote:

@Boofg100 wrote:

Regarding currys I have been told if i want to take my case further then I will need to contact their legal dept.  They have provided me address which is below. I was also told that, they will only accept contact from a solicitor.  So their claim is my legal representative can only speak to their legal team

 

1 Portal Way North Acton London W3 6RS


 

That's as maybe but they clearly have never heard of the Small Claims court. I bet they'd answer a summons from that Court, they can ignore it at their peril "because it didn't come from your solicitor" at their peril.

Again, it's just bullying tactics.

 


This is all baloney, you do not need a soliciter even for a criminal case you can represent yourself - please include loss of wages in your claim for every second you spend on this matter  

paul1277
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@mrtickle wrote:

@Boofg100 wrote:

Regarding currys I have been told if i want to take my case further then I will need to contact their legal dept.  They have provided me address which is below. I was also told that, they will only accept contact from a solicitor.  So their claim is my legal representative can only speak to their legal team

 

1 Portal Way North Acton London W3 6RS


 

That's as maybe but they clearly have never heard of the Small Claims court. I bet they'd answer a summons from that Court, they can ignore it at their peril "because it didn't come from your solicitor" at their peril.

Again, it's just bullying tactics.

 


They are clutching at straws as said, you do not need to be a solicitor to start small claims proceedings or section 75 credit card claim. As said it is another tactic to put you off and hope you will go away. But it leaves the Curry's customers with a possible need for small claims or at least to take the first steps with an intention to take legal action. You do not need a solicitor just the facts and the relevant regs. All the evidence is on these and KS refund info thread, and don't forget all the different excuses they have used to try to wriggle out. I think this is their legal department trying to shut this down by intimidation. They also have compensated one member with over £500 worth of vouchers which to me is an admission of guilt and by offering the free Samsung hub. With the ADR result confirming this is clear misrepresentation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wchOMdwsbyzfMV4dbYBvh0wxDkkn9Z_z/view?usp=sharing

I would very much doubt they would actually let this go to court, because if they did and the lost it would open the doors for every Curry's KS owner asking for a refund! What a lovely day that would be!

 

Paul

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@paul1277 wrote: 
I would very much doubt they would actually let this go to court, because if they did and the lost it would open the doors for every Curry's KS owner asking for a refund! What a lovely day that would be!

On the contrary, I have a suspicion that they might want a case to go to court. That's maybe the only way they'll be able to get Samsung to take the TVs back. Who knows what's in their supply contract with Samsung.

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@tarbat wrote:

@paul1277 wrote: 
I would very much doubt they would actually let this go to court, because if they did and the lost it would open the doors for every Curry's KS owner asking for a refund! What a lovely day that would be!

On the contrary, I have a suspicion that they might want a case to go to court. That's maybe the only way they'll be able to get Samsung to take the TVs back. Who knows what's in their supply contract with Samsung.


Posible but very unlikely, Samsung have lost market share in 2017, 2018 does not look good either, if retailers like Currys and JL start piling up Sqamusng have got a lot to loose not in only in UK but in whole Europe

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@hdmi wrote:

@tarbat wrote:

@paul1277 wrote: 
I would very much doubt they would actually let this go to court, because if they did and the lost it would open the doors for every Curry's KS owner asking for a refund! What a lovely day that would be!

On the contrary, I have a suspicion that they might want a case to go to court. That's maybe the only way they'll be able to get Samsung to take the TVs back. Who knows what's in their supply contract with Samsung.


Posible but very unlikely, Samsung have lost market share in 2017, 2018 does not look good either, if retailers like Currys and JL start piling up Sqamusng have got a lot to loose not in only in UK but in whole Europe


I agree and think the climate for the retailers is quite difficult and with social media being able to wreck the reputation of Curry's and John Lewis I think the fact of major retailers being taken to small claims court for miss-selling would be highly embarrassing, and if they lost the bad publicity would be great for us and disastrous for them. It would look like the little man having to fight the big companies for their rights, not good. Richer Sounds on the contrary by being signed up to the ADR and complying with the ADR ruling have done nothing but impressed everyone (nearly) here. I would think they may try to settle each case before a court with a gagging order, but I do hope people who have used these threads do not accept that because everyone needs to know of every result.

Paul

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Hi quick update on my claim.  I went to currys this morning to take a look at some TVs so I could offer some suggestions after they suggested a Q6FN as a replacement to my ks9000.  After speaking to them again after suggesting OLEDs in the 2800 range (I paid 2900 for my ks9000) they were unwilling to offer higher than the low end tv but it’s value was £2500. So I’ve paid extra and gone for a Sony OLED at 3100 after 200 off the price due to some offer.  My ks9000 was taken back paid the extra and walked away.  I did ponder the legal route but for £400 difference I was happy enough but I didn fancy it to court but didn’t fancy getting all the documents prepared etc like mentioned earlier and possibly messing something up and losing.  So £200 a year I have lost but I can live with that.  Just getting my OLED setup ready for England match :smiling-face:

 

 

 

paul1277
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@darrant1234 wrote:

Hi quick update on my claim.  I went to currys this morning to take a look at some TVs so I could offer some suggestions after they suggested a Q6FN as a replacement to my ks9000.  After speaking to them again after suggesting OLEDs in the 2800 range (I paid 2900 for my ks9000) they were unwilling to offer higher than the low end tv but it’s value was £2500. So I’ve paid extra and gone for a Sony OLED at 3100 after 200 off the price due to some offer.  My ks9000 was taken back paid the extra and walked away.  I did ponder the legal route but for £400 difference I was happy enough but I didn fancy it to court but didn’t fancy getting all the documents prepared etc like mentioned earlier and possibly messing something up and losing.  So £200 a year I have lost but I can live with that.  Just getting my OLED setup ready for England match :smiling-face:

 

 

 Thats brill, so it looks like Curry's are coming around, pity though they still holding out on the full refund, but far better than the Samsung hub they were offering. Can you tell us which branch it was?

Well done hope you enjoy the game.

Paul


 

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Hi all,

 

I finally had a response from my section 75 with my credit card, they want me to post them (not email, annoingly) a list of the following;

 

  1. Invoice/contract - got
  2. Copies of any correspondance between you and the merchant - got
  3. Copy of the terms & conditions including refund/returns policy - I will need to find from John Lewis website - I suspect I need the 2016 version.
  4. Written confirmation of reason for delay as item in dispute was purchased in 2016? Confirmation if the TV was used? - Obviously used. I bought in Aug 2016 and saw the dongle advert from Samsung exec and on John lewis website and spoke to some in store. Does anyone have any other views on this, which could state my case more strongly?

Thanks all.

paul1277
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@rosscouk wrote:

Hi all,

 

I finally had a response from my section 75 with my credit card, they want me to post them (not email, annoingly) a list of the following;

 

  1. Invoice/contract - got
  2. Copies of any correspondance between you and the merchant - got
  3. Copy of the terms & conditions including refund/returns policy - I will need to find from John Lewis website - I suspect I need the 2016 version.
  4. Written confirmation of reason for delay as item in dispute was purchased in 2016? Confirmation if the TV was used? - Obviously used. I bought in Aug 2016 and saw the dongle advert from Samsung exec and on John lewis website and spoke to some in store. Does anyone have any other views on this, which could state my case more strongly?

Thanks all.


Interesting as I know someone else had it rejected on the assumption it was a free addon, bit like apps, where it is actually part of the spec of the TV. They have appealed. 

1 and 2 ok

3, It will be on their site and will probably say they are not responsible for apps so make sure you cover that possible excuse.

4, quite easily you were waiting for the dongle and have asked for it and it was only this year that Samsung confirmed that they would not be releasing the smart things connect dongle, which is dated,

 

And this is the official statement from Samsung saying they will not release the Smart Things Dongle.
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‎06-03-2018 11:39 AM

Hi all.
I can confirm that Snosig's report of the response he received about the SmartThings Extend (along with Kirsty's follow-up answer on it) accurately mirrors the official statement:
"Unfortunately, for technical reasons we were not able to release the SmartThings Extend in the UK.

 

and just to finish you could add the recent richer sounds ADR ruling confirming it was a misrepresentation, with the link below,

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wchOMdwsbyzfMV4dbYBvh0wxDkkn9Z_z/view?usp=sharing

hope it helps

Paul