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KS Owners refund

(Topic created on: 27-06-2018 01:33 PM)
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paul1277
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Do all you good people who bought a 2016 Samsung TV know Samsung have stopped supporting it. The promised they would support HLG (BBC Iplayer HDR). This was in the Dec 2016 Trusted Reviews and What Hi Fi. They have not and if you had bought a Panasonic or LG 2016 set you would be able to watch Iplayer Blue Planet 2 in glorious HLG. This is a big issue because HLG looks like the standard for all over the air broadcasting. Samsung are not even supporting a 4K update to Iplayer. The reason looks like it will cost just 5 cents or pence per unit. So my telly I bought in Jan 2017 is deemed as out of date by Samsung!!!!!!

You wrote in your Dec 2016 issue that Samsung were supporting HLG in their 2016 models. Do you know that Samsung have supported their 2017 models but not the 2016 models. I know because the BBC IPlayer Blue Planet 2 will not play in 4K or HLG. It's not good considering Panasonic and LG both do support their 2016 models. It means my KS model I bought in Jan is now deemed out of date by Samsung. It looks like their are royalty fees which Samsung will not pay! Not good.


All you people in the UK can return your KS TVs IF you bought it for the use of the smartthings Extend that will never be coming out for our TVs. ***** is how.

 

Tell them you want a full refund because they promised that if you bought a KS TV you would get a FREE Smartthings Extend. They proof you will need is easy to find and is the reason you bought this TV.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMc3V98yzNY

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSWoUmU5YQ

I bought mine from J Lewis and the Samsung Extend addvert is still there https://www.johnlewis.com/electricals/samsung/smart-tv/c9601000048?rdr=1

 

If you bought your KS TV from currys http://techtalk.currys.co.uk/tv-gaming/tv/how-to-control-your-home-from-your-smart-tv/

 

They both say that you will get a free smartthings extend USB dongle.

Now send you TVs back for a full refund Smiley Happy

 

 

All those who bought a Samsung TV in 2016 may have claim for miss selling. It basically means that all you folks who bought the 2016 Samsung units have 2 choices. After Dec 2016 and if you had seen any articles that are press release's about HLG support and that influenced you decision to buy may have a case. For all those owners who read the info from the retailers on their web pages and saw and was influenced by the promise of the smart connect which has not been honoured, then you also have a case for miss selling. If you all spread this in all available media then I am sure the retailers would put pressure on to Samsung to correct this. If nothing else you could end up with nice shiny LG or Panasonic, or the new Philips that all are HLG BBC iplayer compatible, and with the HDR10 plus that again Samsung have still not implemented, you may be best with LG and Dolby Vision.

Also take a copy of the retailers web page before they change the description.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSWoUmU5YQ

I will try to explain how to get a refund for miss selling (seen how much the LG's have come down). I followed this way and got a full refund or a JS8000.

You need to show that you asked or believed that or influenced by claims made about the capabilities of the TV. With BBC Iplayer HLG it's from the Trusted reviews and What Hi Fi, and any other publications and if you asked the retailer.

 

https://www.whathifi.com/advice/hdr-tv-what-it-how-can-you-get-it#6locceZo3Zf8yi5T.99

you can show you had been informed.

It's different with the smart connect as that is advertised on the main retailers web sites,

https://www.johnlewis.com/electricals/samsung/smart-tv/c9601000048?rdr=1
http://techtalk.currys.co.uk/tv-gaming/tv/how-to-control-your-home-from-your-smart-tv/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRSWoUmU5YQ

As the donngle's have not turned up you now claim miss selling, so either go to your retailer or email them with the web page, and explain why you think you were miss sold. Also phone Citizens Advice 03444 111 444 and raise a case (this also gets past on to Trading Standards). Explain that the retailer informed you off the capabilities via their web page information, and either show the page printer or the link, as above.

They will advise and link you to some template letters to send to your retailer.

I had to send a letter of intent to take legal action (template from Citizens Advice) against Curry's but then they gave me a refund.

So mention all the promises from Samsung full support for HLG, Smart Connect, and HDR10+

It will cost nothing to ask and again may bring some pressure on to Samsung.

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Gimpfont
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@billinghamn

 

Hi mate, great effort, please may I also have a PM of your email? :smiling-face:

 

Thanks so much!

 

AJ

billinghamn
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@Gimpfont wrote:

@billinghamn

 

Hi mate, great effort, please may I also have a PM of your email? :smiling-face:

 

Thanks so much!

 

AJ


PM sent - good luck!

HiroDobbie
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@Billinghmn

Hi Billinghamn,

Congrats on getting this resolved so quickly with JL, I'm glad JL are starting to do the right thing.

I'm going to be cheeky as well and ask if there is any chance you could PM me the email to you sent to JL so that I might be able to get some traction with them.

Steve

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paul1277
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@billinghamn wrote:

@Gimpfont wrote:

@billinghamn

 

Hi mate, great effort, please may I also have a PM of your email? :smiling-face:

 

Thanks so much!

 

AJ


PM sent - good luck!


Hi any chance you could post the email on here, saves you having to pm everyone and is also helpful to all if us here. 

Thanks

Paul

Superted854
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Agreed as I also would like a copy of the email to send to JL

If I do get anywhere with JL i'm struggling to find a TV comparable to my UE65KS8000 as I only paid £1500 for it and I have read they ask for the included blu-ray back as well.

Would love the 65" LG B7 but it's another £800 investment.
paul1111
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@Gimpfont wrote:

@billinghamn

 

Hi mate, great effort, please may I also have a PM of your email? :smiling-face:

 

Thanks so much!

 

AJ


I have been away and looks like good news as @paul1277 has been telling me. That's richer sounds and looks like jl.  Just need curry's now. 

It would be appreciated if people could post their correspondence as it will help those wish to make a claim. 

Well done all. 

CJH26
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While it’s good news for some in regards to John Lewis I wouldn’t jump the gun.

 

Thats been about 3 people who have had resolutions but the majority including myself have not.

 

They should be providing the same resolution to everybody no questions asked but for the moment they are not and are still miles away from Richer Sounds level of customer service.

billinghamn
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As requested - this is the email I sent to JL (customerservices@johnlewis.com).  I attached the ADR which is referred to in the thread.  I also attached the JL web page with the offending items highlighted.  I can send this email with the attached docs through to people if you send me a PM.

 

This email got on to the JL complaints system, and I got a call back.  They told me that since I purchased in store I had to ring the store.  When I spoke to the store I simply quoted my case ref.

 

Good luck!

 

-----------------------------------

 

Dear Sirs,

 

Re: Purchase of Samsung UE55KS9000 TV – Order Number [Order Number]

 

I purchased the Samsung UE55KS9000 TV from John Lewis (JL) on [Date]  At the point of purchase I paid [Amount] which included a 5 year warranty.  This was part of a larger purchase which included a smaller Samsung TV and a Sonos Playbar.   I would like to return the UE55KS9000 TV as I believe I have been mis-sold.  For info, the serial number of the TV is [Serial Number].

 

The Samsung UE55KS9000 TV is not as described. This TV was advertised as "Control your connected home with SmartThings Extend".  My purchase of the UE55KS9000 was influenced by the claims made about the capabilities of the TV on the JL website.  The JL web page advertising this capability is attached. The relevant paragraphs are highlighted with a red box. 

 

Samsung has since confirmed the SmartThings Extend will never be made available, since the TV is not technically capable of supporting this and due to security concerns.  Details of this can be seen at the following website: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1512472675.

 

I know from other customers, that JL is already aware of this issue.  JL has been in contact with Samsung since the beginning of 2018, and this should not be used as a reason for delaying resolution of this issue.

 

My Rights under the Consumer Rights Act 2015

 

This purchase is governed by the Consumer Rights Act 2015, which states that goods purchased must match the description supplied pre-contract, such as on the packaging, advert, or description for example.  The description of the product can be clearly seen in the attached web page from the JL web site.  Goods are covered for up to 6 years under the limitations act.  To be clear, the retailer is responsible not the manufacturer.

 

Samsung has offered to supply an alternative product to some customers, called SmartThings Hub, but this doesn’t offer the same capability.  It should be noted that the SmartThings Hub would not deliver the functionality that the John Lewis web site advertised. The originally promised functionality ‘embedded’ SmartThings Extend would have delivered control directly from the TV screen, whereas the SmartThings Hub would need to be controlled from a mobile or tablet.  It is also important to know that control over the TV is limited, for instance it is not possible to switch the TV ON from standby.  Please do not offer to supply this alternative product – it would not be acceptable.

 

To be clear I am not returning the goods due to a fault.  It is due to mis selling which is a breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

 

Requested Remedy

 

As you are in breach of contract and I've owned the product for less than 6 years, I am within my statutory rights to ask for a refund, or a replacement (to the same value as I originally paid), at no further cost to me.

 

I have all of the original packaging, so I can bring the TV back in to the Cheadle store.  Rather than a full refund, I am happy to accept store credit instead.  I believe this is a reasonable remedy.

 

Retail Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR)

 

I am aware of other customers who have already raised this issue through the Retail ADR, and I attach the findings in one case against Richer Sounds.  The evidence is identical, and it’s reasonable to expect the same outcome would arise if I needed to take this matter to Retail ADR.

 

Conclusion

 

I am a loyal customer of John Lewis, and have always received excellent customer service from the company.  I look forward to receiving confirmation that you will provide the remedy set out above within 14 days of the date of this letter.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

 etc

billinghamn
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I would also just like to say, that without the helpful contributions from members of this community, I wouldn't have been aware of my rights in respect to the SmartThings Extend, let alone try to uphold those rights, and end up with an upgraded TV.

 

So a big thank you to everyone!

paul1111
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Thanks for that and I think it us an excellent letter that covers everything with no wiggle room for the retailers and I think will help everyone going down this path.
I know I keep asking but all those who have had success please broadcast it far and wide on social media. People have put a lot of work and research on here to help and we need to continue. Facebook Twitter, av forums (ks owners thread), and include a link to this thread. The more people who go down this route the more pressure on Samsung and their customer support.
Thanks.