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HW-K650 and Two R1 Wirelss Speakers in 5.1 With KS7000 TV

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Well the R3s are now boxed back up and set to be returned to Samsung. Nothing but trouble. Another bug I found was if my phone that had the multi room app installed wasn't present, all the settings I arranged went back to standard & this not working as a surround group.

 

I've purchased the SWA9000s rear speakers to see how I get on with them.  Based upon comments from fine folks in this thread.

 

Not in much hope though as not listed as compatible with my soundbar (HWJ7500) But you never know.

 

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
Navigator

Well the SWA9000S system arrived today and knock me sideways....it's no bloody good.

 

Has a USB C connection to hook into the soundbar, my unit only has the square type A connections.

 

I'm starting to think there's just nothing out there for my soundbar to make it surround sound.

 

So I now have X2 R3s & Swa9000s boxed up to return.

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
Apprentice

Is there a type c to type a adapter?

Navigator

There are such things, but I'd hazard a guess there's more too it than that? 

 

Is there any other use of that port for compatible soundbar?

Current Samsung Devices:
65 Q9FN Tv
Galaxy Tab S4
Galaxy S10+
Gear S3 Frontier
Galaxy S9+
Galaxy Tab A 10.1
R3 speakers
Samsung cooker, fridge, microwave, DW
So much Samsung, so many problems...I'll learn one day!
Navigator

Like i said, SWA-9000 rear speakers use a WiFi dongle to connect to the soundbar, it won't work even with a connector if the soundbar doesn't support them. They connect directly with the soundbar, just like the wireless subwoofer without your home's WiFi network. There used to be SWA-8000 set that worked the similiar way with some K and J series soundbar models, K450 if i remember correctly. The top of the line like K650 were using Radiant speakers as rears, but since Samsung is back with SWA-9000 and dongle for all their Sound+ soundbars (MS650, MS750, MS6500), and also this years models i guess it didn't worked as they planned.

 

My K650 is currently on the wall in my bedroom, and i got MS650. For MS650 you can use both Radiants and SWA9000 as rears, but Radiant's are plagued with all the problems as with K650 (and even more). I use my R3's in stereo mode for music. They are perfect if you are moving around the house as the sound is omni directtional. 

 

SWA-9000 works perfectly with MS650. The lag is gone, they are loud, you can still adjust setting and change sound modes with the remote. You can even turn them  on and off while using the remote.

 

So if you now own SWA-9000 set you can buy a soundbar to match them MS6500 is the curved one i think. I can guarantee that this combination will work as it should, and it even plays DTS 5.1 which is used by most BluRay discs if you connect the soundbar with HDMI cable to your TV (somehow WiFi connection doesn't  support full DTS 5.1). You have to switch from Dolby to DTS in TV's settings every time you change the codec though. Also for some reason all the newest Samsung tv's won't even play DTS.. they only support Dolby. 

Of course there's a chance that one of the future updates will break everything, and Samsung will never fix it because that's how they roll! 

Navigator

>Is there any other use of that port for compatible soundbar?

 

Alright, i'm looking at my K650 and i think it's just a service port, not the one for WiFi dongle.

SWA-9000s is compatible with Sound+ soundbars, but in the manual of SWA-8000s it says compatible with:

HW-K360 HW-K450 HW-K550 HW-J6000R HW-JM4000 HW-K369 HW-K460 HW-K551 HW-J6001R HW-JM4000C HW-K390 HW-K490 HW-K560 HW-J6010R HW-J6090R HW-KM36 HW-KM45 HW-K561 HW-J6011R HW-KM36C HW-KM45C HW-K590 HW-J4000

 

So i guess it won't work

Explorer

Yea our K650 cannot use the SWA-8000. I have left my firmware alone for a long while now on my R1's and K650 since they have been working well. My next TV and sound system will not be Samsung, that is for sure.

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Navigator

Hi all

 

Mine has also been working fine for a long time now. I do have some issues with quiet dialog on netflix but this seems to be a netflix issue as some programs and films are fine. 

 

Lee 

Pathfinder

Apologies to all for asking a question that may well appear somewhere in the 156 pages of this thread....

 

I currently have a Q7(2017), a HWMS650 soundbar, a UBD  9500 BluRay Player (Yep - went bonkers on Samsung!) and have just purchased 2 x R1 Speakers.

 

All are running the latest firmware (as far as I know). The bluray is connected through the soundbar via ARC.

 

I have set up surround sound through the TV - connecting/configuring the 2 x speakers and the soundbar - which was achieved easily.  I have (in the TV settings) HDMI Audio input set to PCM, and Audio Digital output set to Dolby (when watching normal Sky movies). (Not sure whether this is the 'correct/best' settings but I cannot tell any difference if I select Bitstream, fail to really understand the difference in quality/options and can find nothing online in various forums that would sway me one way or the other).  The audio quality seems fine - voices clear and explosions/rumbles etc being pleasingly 'bassy' - when watching sky. I have yet to test it using a BluRay/DVD disc.

 

Question is - how do I now know if I have 5:1 surround sound, whether the speakers/soundbar are being utilised to their full potential or whether there are any tweaks to the above that may result in a better audio environment?

 

Additionally is there 'a film of choice' that can be used to test the surround capabilities and whether it is working correctly.

 

Thanks in advance...

Navigator

Hi! 

I've linked surround test files, just few posts before. You should set hdmi to bitstream - - - > Dolby or bitstream - - - > DTS if you are wanting something from a bluray. You have to switch it every time you change codec.

 

I also have MS650 now, and there are two major problems with R speakers as rears. Sound volume on them mismatches with the Soundbar. With rears on +6 in multiroom app they are about equal at 50/100 and and get exponentially louder from this point. At 30/100 they are a lot more quiet than the Soundbar.

The other, and more annoying problem is lag. With Soundbar plugged through hdmi arc and surround group created with multiroom app there's about 200ms lag. It's something you can't adjust. It's better if you use WiFi connection but with wifi you can't play DTS 5.1 for some reason. 

 

I've kept my R3s for music, and got dedicated rear speakers for MS650 - SWA 9000S. They connect directly with the Soundbar through a wifi dongle (you have to plug it into your Soundbar) and work like a charm. There's no lag, you can control them with Soundbars remote, you can actually change sound modes or use Smart mode with rears still working unlike with multiroom surround. You don't have to use multiroom app at all (but you can still control them, the new menu appears when you click on MS650) 

I have them pretty far from a couch in 35m^² living room and they sound about equal to Soundbar with +3 volume on them. 

 

 

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